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01-11-2009, 06:47 PM
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Sean Avery makes a "harsh, but truthful point" about a totally unaffiliated third party and gets a 6-game suspension to go with a drowning career.

Craig MacTavish makes a "harsh, but truthful point" about a professionally affiliated third party and is getting praise?

What a joke... at least Avery's comments had some humour to it.
This must be a joke...

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01-11-2009, 06:48 PM
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Even if Mac T's comments are correct (which to a certain extent they are), he's doing the Oilers organization a disservice by being so resoundly critical of an asset. He could have been a bit more diplomatic, or even short in his assessment.

The whole Schremp saga in Edmonton puzzles me to no end. Why they haven't unloaded him at this point is a wonder. It was clear from the start that he wasn't going to fit in, and there was nothing he could do at either level to please the orginization. They just don't like him. Schremp's at best going through the motions now. Why bother?
Can they trade him for a return that is worth getting?

Why trade him for a 7th round pick. He has a chance of turning it around and becoming a good player.. May as well just lose him for nothing at some point.

Also, we all assume that there is a market for Rob Schremp. I don't think that is the case.

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01-11-2009, 06:50 PM
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Can they trade him for a return that is worth getting?

Why trade him for a 7th round pick. He has a chance of turning it around and becoming a good player.. May as well just lose him for nothing at some point.

Also, we all assume that there is a market for Rob Schremp. I don't think that is the case.
Is that even a consideration at this point? Schremp will never be an Oiler with Mac T and co at the helm. As for a market for Schremp, I'm sure someone would take him off the Oilers' hands. Perhaps a "bust" for a "bust" like deal, maybe similar to the Pineault/Blunden trade.

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01-11-2009, 06:53 PM
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How does that constitute "ripping" him? It was an honest evaluation of a player. If he was ripping him he could have used different words and with a different tone. If you watch the video, you'll know what I mean.
We live in a day and age where feelings are ultra-sensitive. Hence the reaction.

Not taking sides, and not a big deal either way. No doubt Schremp has been told in private what was stated here.

It's up to the PLAYER to react to it properly and seek to improve..and do the things required to be a productive, regular NHLer. If he reacts to the criticism as some here have, he will fail.

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No, but they have all earned spots on the NHL roster. Schremp has not come close to doing so. He does not provide anything Gagner, Nilsson or Cogliano can't. He doesn't provide the intangibles Pouliot does. He does not play defence, so I have no clue as to why Smid and Staios were mentioned... and the other guy is the Captain of the team.
If theres anyone who didn't earn a spot at times its Pouliot. I always saw a player in him but he could never seem to find any consistency to be a regular NHLer until very recently. But he was always given the benefit of the doubt by Mactavish even if he was the worst player on the ice. Same situation with JFJ, Peterson, Bishae, Reddox, Stortini and the list goes on. If you can play the game the way Mactavish did your going to get alot more leeway and chance to succeed versus a guy with skill.....thats just the way Mactavish is and its not going to change anytime soon.

And Schremp may not have been very good in the game against San Jose, but the whole team was brutal and he was no worse then anyone else. Theres not a single play you can pinpoint in those 4 games where you can single out Schremp making a horrible play resulting in a goal. He even made a few hits and was hard on the back check.

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I don't think it as THAT bad. but, he seems to be doing it a lot lately. not a fan of criticizing players in public.

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01-11-2009, 06:57 PM
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How does that constitute "ripping" him? It was an honest evaluation of a player. If he was ripping him he could have used different words and with a different tone. If you watch the video, you'll know what I mean.
Of course it's ripping him to publicly name him by name and specifically state his shortcomings. It's also incredibly stupid and could hurt whatever value he might have as trade bait.

Imagine if a player came out and said about a coach, "This guy doesn't deserve a job in the NHL. He can't figure out lines, his handling of players is horrendous, he is awful with the media and he hasn't won at the NHL level and even was a losing coach in the AHL and JR."

Even if it was all true it would be ripping the coach.

Most coaches would never publicly humiliate a player like MacT did.

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What the hell does Mactavish expect. Schremp to be as fast as Cogliano? That will never happen so Edmonton might as well trade the kid for a low pick. Or better yet, Schremp should just go off to Europe and play a season or two there until an NHL team gives him a call. This whole thing is just ridiculous.

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No im saying that hes improved in almost every aspect of his game since he entered the A, unlike what you alluded too.

Improved? Okay, he's done that. But not by enough to earn a spot in the NHL. He's a good AHL player. Not even a great AHL player. To get to the NHL you have to be excellent at something and no worse than average at everything else. The fact that Schremp is a poor skater and weak defensively means he has to be an awesome offensive player. He is not. The player I equate him to the most is Kyle Wellwood and Schremp has a very long way to go to achieve the skill level of Wellwood. Schremp has a very long way to go.

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Even if Mac T's comments are correct (which to a certain extent they are), he's doing the Oilers organization a disservice by being so resoundly critical of an asset. He could have been a bit more diplomatic, or even short in his assessment.

The whole Schremp saga in Edmonton puzzles me to no end. Why they haven't unloaded him at this point is a wonder. It was clear from the start that he wasn't going to fit in, and there was nothing he could do at either level to please the orginization. They just don't like him. Schremp's at best going through the motions now. Why bother?
You think other teams don't know of Schremp's short-comings? MacT is getting tired of the media asking why he's not being called up. Fact is Schremp is not an NHL player and your not going to fool any other club into thinking he is.

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Improved? Okay, he's done that. But not by enough to earn a spot in the NHL. He's a good AHL player. Not even a great AHL player. To get to the NHL you have to be excellent at something and no worse than average at everything else. The fact that Schremp is a poor skater and weak defensively means he has to be an awesome offensive player. He is not. The player I equate him to the most is Kyle Wellwood and Schremp has a very long way to go to achieve the skill level of Wellwood. Schremp has a very long way to go.
For as much criticism as Schremp deserves, I don't think he's been given a fair shake at the NHL level. During his last call-up he demonstrated he had worked on several of things he was told to and was fairly productive.

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Babcock essentially said the same things about Hudler in the past. Now Hudler works way harder than he did when he first came over to NA and now he's also an impact player.

Some people need a good kick in the rear and I'm sure most coaches know more about their prospects than we do.

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he was the same way in WBS. a very talented player but he just seemed to half ass it

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Hopefully he gets moved to a new organization.

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I can tell by looking at him he's a pr*ck and always been one.

The difference in a Pr*ck like Bobby Knight in basketball is that he has built himself into an institution and winner in his early coaching days.

Mac T has never been a great coach in my opinion. He's in a "good ol boys club" in Edmonton which leaves his future head coaching jobs limited with regards to the NHL.

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You think other teams don't know of Schremp's short-comings? MacT is getting tired of the media asking why he's not being called up. Fact is Schremp is not an NHL player and your not going to fool any other club into thinking he is.
Of course they do. That doesn't mean you devalue an asset by ripping him in a public setting.

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That last line in his Schremp rambling about the practical colliding with the theoretical shows an almost Pronger-esque grasp of the English language. Hats off to Professor MacT.

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Of course they do. That doesn't mean you devalue an asset by ripping him in a public setting.

Yeah, because pro scouts, the guys who evaluate talent and inform their management of a player's capabilities and potential, and likely to be swayed by a coach's comments in a presser. The only one hurting Schremp's value is Schremp with his play.

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It's also incredibly stupid and could hurt whatever value he might have as trade bait.
Do you think he stated anything that any scout/GM already doesn't know?

Schremp's reaction will tell everyone what they need to know about his character.

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If Schremp wants to play in the NHL, then he's going to have to earn it. Nothing wrong with what MacTavish said.

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What a BS thread. Does anyone have an idea what the question was? I suspect it was about why Robbie wasn't called up and MacT answered it perfectly. He wanted to put an end to it and that answer should do it. Schremp is soft, slow and couldn't check his hat at the door. He's made no commitment to improving his game in the minors which has lead to his benching in back-to-back games in the minors. Seems MacT knows what the situation is and called it perfectly.
Possibly so, but why do it publically like that...seems MacT needs to react a little better...why throw the kid under the bus like that?

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I've seen Schremp play. Let's see, he IS slow and he IS soft.

I always hoped that hockey could escape the poison grip of political correctness, but this year's events show that isn't the case.

Boo hoo, poor Schremp. He can't handle criticism? Nothing wrong with this statement.

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MacTavish is the biggest joke in the league.

Penner was 12th in the NHL last year in PP goals and the idiot took him off the PP to start the year.

He tells the media that since Penner is playing in a checking role with Pisani and Moreau that the media and fans need to readjust their expectations of Penner.

Then when Penner isn't producing MacTavish calls him out.

Penner was +8 at the time MacTavish called him out, good for best on the team.

When Penner played with Horc and Hemsky last year they were all close to PP players.

Penners reassurance has nothing to do with MacT calling him out and everything with playing him with capable players.

Penner led Edmonton in goals last year and this stupid moron plays him in a 3rd line checking role.. what the hell do you expect?

A couple weeks ago MacTavish pleaded to the media that the team need to stick together saying "The calvary is not coming. We need to stick together. We need to work together." Not even a few hours after he made that statement he absolutely shredded Robert Nilsson to the media.


Rob Schremp has 3 points in 4 games and a +2 rating yet "Rob Schremp can't help us win."

Liam Reddox has 4 points in 18 games and a -2 rating yet he's playing on the first line with Horcoff and Penner.

The difference of course is that Reddox is cut from the same mold as useless ***** like Bucky and CrapT.

**** You MacT!

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MacTavish tells the truth.

You can't devalue a bust.

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