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01-12-2009, 08:43 AM
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One recalls Tortarella getting called out by those who do not believe in holding shiny youngsters to the highest standards the multiple times he publicly challenged Vinny Lecavalier to grow up and become a better player.

VL sulked...and then it clicked for him. And he became the consistent elite player, the leader, his coach demanded. And they won a Cup together.

Tough love works on people with a spine and desire.
It is clear that Mactavish was frustrated with the constant Schremp badgering from the media. But, there is a major difference between Schremp and Vinny L. - what has Schremp done or said to deserve a PUBLIC lashing. Lecavalier's sulking and underachieving was done in the NHL, in front of the very same cameras and media personnel to which Tortorella directed his rants. Schremp has not been afforded the same opportunity to defend himself, and THAT is what makes MacT's actions inappropriate. It's not as if Robbie is feeding these questions to the reporters, either. Is he publicly complaining about having to toil in the A?

This is not tough love. Tough love is delivering that same exact message to the person involved in private (something which you had previously stated you believe has happened) and challenging him to get better. This was simply a case of Mactavish letting his frustration get the better of him, and it may cause the organization to lose a highly skilled, if otherwise deficient, prospect.

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01-12-2009, 10:07 AM
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Further proof on the delusionality of many Oiler fans on this board.

MacTavish essentially said the kid is not an NHL player.

Then there's a whole bunch of fans ripping MacTavish for lowering his value and other fans calling for the Oilers to trade Schremp.

Nobody wants Schremp. He has ZERO value. He is NOT an NHLer. Get that through your heads. What MacTavish did here was call a spade a spade. You think that what MacTavish said was news to the league? You don't think that MacTavish already knew the kid has ZERO trade value?

Get a grip.

All Schremp could have ever hoped of being was a PP specialist and you can count the number of PP specialists playing in the league on one hand.

Larf, the Schremp Kool-Aid is friggin strong!!

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01-12-2009, 10:15 AM
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3 points in 4 games this year agrees with you.
Comments like this are completely out of touch with reality.

The Edmonton Oilers are in the business of winning hockey games.

Even for all of their faults, they have a pretty good idea of what would help them win hockey games.

They have decided for the past 3 seasons that Schremp will not help them win hockey games until he improves (drastically) areas of his game.

But no, you're right a couple secondary assists and a nice play make him an NHL player.

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Comments like this are completely out of touch with reality.

The Edmonton Oilers are in the business of winning hockey games.

Even for all of their faults, they have a pretty good idea of what would help them win hockey games.


They have decided for the past 3 seasons that Schremp will not help them win hockey games until he improves (drastically) areas of his game.

But no, you're right a couple secondary assists and a nice play make him an NHL player.
Sorry, who's out of touch with reality here?

I'm not getting into a whole big thing here, but MacT is garbage and needs to be moved out of this organization. A few weeks ago I'd have been ok with keeping him as an assistant GM or something but his conduct since Hemsky has gone down really proves he has no clue what he is doing.

FIRE MACT!!!!

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I thought it was going to be 'too hard' to send him back down after the 3-point night he had?

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As much as I hate MacT, some of you are taking what he said waaaaaay too much as a travesty of epic proportions.

I espeically love all the 'WOW' and 'HOLY *****' responses, like this is a life-changing event. Some of you need to calm down. Ten bucks says it's not as big a deal in the Oilers organization as it is here on an internet message board.


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...Tough love is delivering that same exact message to the person involved in private (something which you had previously stated you believe has happened) and challenging him to get better. This was simply a case of Mactavish letting his frustration get the better of him, and it may cause the organization to lose a highly skilled, if otherwise deficient, prospect.
I tend to agree with you, Synergy, when it comes to Mactavish and this specific incident. A pat response to the media hack would have avoided any controversy. Personally, as dull as it may be, were I running a franchise (and I wish I possessed the money to do so ), coach, player and executives would be expected to keep dirty laundry "in-house". Always.

Really my comments are more directed toward those here who place martyrdom status on the poor player who cannot achieve the standards set for him to become a regular NHLer. Their response: go whining for a trade. Go somewhere he will be treated kinder and gentler.

I personally find that pathetic. Likewise, the fact that Schremp came up, and put some personal ofensive stats on the board....and still is in the AHL, tells one a lot. First, this is the NHL, not a fantasy league. Second, the guy is clearly deficient.

You want a job, earn it. To date, Schremp is failing.

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Schremp doesn't deserve to be called up. Wow, he put up a few points while he was up last time. He was on the second line too. Now there is no room for him there and he has beyond proved that he cannot do a third or fourth line roll. He can't skate, he can't hit, he can barely take a hit. He isn't a grinder. He isn;t good enough to be called up. Potulny was the right choice for the call up. MacT is always being hounded about why not Schremp, why not Schemp. Well, its because Schremp shouldn't be called up because at this point he is not an NHL caliber player.

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Sorry, who's out of touch with reality here?

I'm not getting into a whole big thing here, but MacT is garbage and needs to be moved out of this organization. A few weeks ago I'd have been ok with keeping him as an assistant GM or something but his conduct since Hemsky has gone down really proves he has no clue what he is doing.

FIRE MACT!!!!
What conduct are you talking about? trying to fill his roster with players he feels can help the team with the loss of their best player?
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I honestly see a 600+ goal scorer in him. And 1300+ points. If he puts in the effort and gets his skating back to where it was 1.5 years ago.
Or maybe because he doesn't view Schremp's potental quite as high as you.

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Why must you people bring this Fire MacT Trash to the main boards?

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Really my comments are more directed toward those here who place martyrdom status on the poor player who cannot achieve the standards set for him to become a regular NHLer. Their response: go whining for a trade. Go somewhere he will be treated kinder and gentler.
Agreed. Whether or not one agrees with how MacT decided to deliver this message, the fact remains that the organization sees a deficiency in their player, and it is up to the player to change that. This whole situation makes it look like the Oilers have completely given up on him though, which really should speak volumes about a guy who has such unquestionable skill.

That said, it would be really funny if MacT was fired, Schremp was brought in and lit it up, and we found out after the fact that the old helmet-less warrior really was biased against the flashy, pure skill, offensive kid.

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Why don't they just trade him?

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Most people look at a kid who sucks in his own end and doesnt have top flight speed and doesnt throw hits. Well he was drafted by the organization with these knocks because his draft profile said thats what your getting but he never got a chance and MacT waited for him to self destruck after years of getting burned and then MacT can say see look at that, I told you so.

Lets take a look at what happened until now:

Drafted in 04 - though he had a good TC was sent down to junior.
04 OHL 62 41 49 90 - Had a nice year and thought to have a chance to play next year.
05 -had a good TC was a last cut and people were disapointed he didnt stick.
05 OHL 57 57 88 145 - Dominating the OHL. Fans know he could help the team score.
06 - Cut in TC becasue he could learn so much working on the D side of game.
06 AHL 69 17 36 53 - nice rookie season in the AHL concentrating on the D side but never gets a chance to play at all in the NHL.
07- Has okay camp but MacT keeps Cogs and Gagner over him.
07 AHL 78 23 53 76 - Top ten in AHL pts but never gets a chance with the big club despite big club being bad.
08 - Decent TC but its a numbers game.
08 AHL ppg before call up to fill in for Nilsson.
NHL - 4 0 3 3 not a bad start to an NHL career but still sent down.

At this point tell me where he got a fair shake? Dont talk to me how is pouting right now because he should have already been given a chance to prove he belongs and in a small sample (4gms) he has done that.

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Why don't they just trade him?
Listen to MacTavish's comments, assume that he is not making **** up, and ask yourself if you want that player on your team. The fact that he is yet to be traded should be the centerpiece of anyone's defense of the Oiler organization here (i.e. we're right about him sucking, this isn't a matter of the coach being biased, and we can prove it because no one else wants him).

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Agreed. Whether or not one agrees with how MacT decided to deliver this message, the fact remains that the organization sees a deficiency in their player, and it is up to the player to change that. This whole situation makes it look like the Oilers have completely given up on him though, which really should speak volumes about a guy who has such unquestionable skill.

it's not really an indictment of schremp so much as the cold hard reality that the oilers have too many young, smallish forwards who need to be sheltered somewhat. Schremp got passed by guys like Gagner and Cogliano and lost out to Nilsson, and the oilers clearly don't want to be dealing with that many offensive guys who can be overwhelmed in their own end at once, and that's the main reason he's stuck in the minors. Had Gagner done as expected and got sent back to junior and Cogliano not earned his place in his first pro season this whole debate likely doesn't happen as Schremp likely had the chance to carve out his own niche on the oilers, but as it was he didn't show himself to be better than the competition and hasn't done anything to change that perception amongst the oilers management yet. And it keeps getting worse for him as well, the oilers added Brule who's got loads of skill but brings some intangibles that Schremp doesn't either, such as way better skating and more gritty play. So really if Schremp wants to play for the Edmonton Oilers he had better do something about the problems with his game because he's got a lot of people that he's in direct competition with and all of them do certain things better than he does.

As far as Mctavish laying it all on the line in the media, too many people making a mountain out of a molehill, you can bet that the oilers have told schremp exactly what he needs to work on, that's their job as far as developing him. So does it make any difference to schremp that the coach told the media the same things he told schremp himself?

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Just curious, but why is Schremp's skating not where it was 1.5 years ago?

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Just curious, but why is Schremp's skating not where it was 1.5 years ago?
By all reports it is better. Schremp has worked hard in the offseason on foot speed and all TC reports indicated he was much stronger on his skates and quicker. I think because he isnt lightning fast people look for a flaw.

To justify Mact Oil fans say well he cant play in the NHL because he doesnt play defence: well look at Kovalchuk, Semin, Kane, Mueller to name some top players. Well he doesnt have elite speed: Luc Robitille, Brett Hull, are HOF who were below average skaters. Well he doesnt dig in the corners or play with grit: thats a long list so I wont go there.

The thing is the kid got skipped over becuase we took Gagner and traded for Nilsson. Those two got the chance Robbie should have got. Gagner was ok last year and this year has took a step back (16 pts so far) and Nilsson about the same (13pts) but the organization is very commited to these two basically becasue of age (Gagner 19) and PR (Nilsson key to Smyth deal). As an oiler fan this is fair enough though I think there was no need to rush Gagner with Robbie in the wings. This is the reason Schremp has got a raw deal. What upsets me is that you have a coach who basically embarasses the kid in the media because he is tired of answering questions about him. Even more so he dogs the kids real talent saying he has only okay hands and can kind of run a PP when Robbie would be top in both these for the oil save Hemsky.

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I also wouldn't really call this ripping on him. The sense I got was that he was sick of fans/media wanting Schremp called up.

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I also wouldn't really call this ripping on him. The sense I got was that he was sick of fans/media wanting Schremp called up.
Yes, and because the media annoyed him he threw one of his prospects under the bus rather than attack the media.

Well played, MacTavish, well played.

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Yes, and because the media annoyed him he threw one of his prospects under the bus rather than attack the media.

Well played, MacTavish, well played.
Not sure why everyone is so upset with MacT...the media Asked him the question (for about the 1000th time) and he answered truthfully, then because he gives people and answer they don't want to hear they are ready to crucify him? I am an Oilers fan and quite honestly I would rather have the truth than a bunch of fluff to make everyone all warm and fuzzy inside. The kid sucks right now and is not doing anything in the AHL to deserve the call up, why sugar coat it?

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I saw an honest critique of an AHLer, the same AHLer who Mactavish praised when sending him back down to the farm after his brief 4 game stint. Since being sent down what has Schremp done? Nothing, sulked. Maybe this was meant to a light a fire under his ass, perhaps not, but whats with all this ******** about him just being a kid and this being a terrible thing to do to him, the guys what, 22?

How many of you haven't heard worse from coachs growing up? Lifes hard, wear a helmet, quit being so ******* pathetic.

Is this who Oilers fans are really that excited about, a guy who has 3 goals in the AHL so far this season?

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By all reports it is better. Schremp has worked hard in the offseason on foot speed and all TC reports indicated he was much stronger on his skates and quicker. I think because he isnt lightning fast people look for a flaw.

To justify Mact Oil fans say well he cant play in the NHL because he doesnt play defence: well look at Kovalchuk, Semin, Kane, Mueller to name some top players. Well he doesnt have elite speed: Luc Robitille, Brett Hull, are HOF who were below average skaters. Well he doesnt dig in the corners or play with grit: thats a long list so I wont go there.
I think the upside on a guy like Schremp is Kyle Wellwood. A guy who has a place in the league, but is deficient in too many areas to play a major role on a good team.

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I saw an honest critique of an AHLer, the same AHLer who Mactavish praised when sending him back down to the farm after his brief 4 game stint. Since being sent down what has Schremp done? Nothing, sulked. Maybe this was meant to a light a fire under his ass, perhaps not, but whats with all this ******** about him just being a kid and this being a terrible thing to do to him, the guys what, 22?

How many of you haven't heard worse from coachs growing up? Lifes hard, wear a helmet, quit being so ******* pathetic.

Is this who Oilers fans are really that excited about, a guy who has 3 goals in the AHL so far this season?
WOW, I didn't realise how bad he was in the A...put a fork in him and send him to the Swiss league with all the other NHL failures, maybe him and Rico Fata can sit around talking about what the Battle of Alberta could have been like with them in it.

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Mr Schremp has 3 goals and 21 assists in 30 games as a 22 year old in the AHL, yet Mactavish isn't giving him a fair shake with the big club.

I will be so happy when he signs in Europe this off season and I don't have to hear about how its unfair that Gagner gets so many chances over Schremp ( because the talent levels between the two are so similar with or without Gagners slump this year ).

Schremp has more in common with Jason Bonsignore than he does Sam Gagner.

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The thing is the kid got skipped over becuase we took Gagner and traded for Nilsson. Those two got the chance Robbie should have got.

one would argue that those two TOOK the spot people thought Schremp would get. Last season there was no question Gagner and Nilsson were better than Schremp, they've slumped this season but as i mentioned before, there are things that they do much better than Schremp does so they get to try and work through it while Schremp does not. Is Schremp more talented than either Nilsson or Gagner? Don't think you can say that at all so why should Schremp get the chance ahead of those guys? Just because he's older and been massively hyped since day 1? It's not the ideal situation for Schremp to be in with so many young skilled forwards ahead of him, but if he wants to get a chance he's gotta earn it, nothing is given to people.

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