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01-12-2009, 10:54 AM
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Imagine this gets done at the 2009 DRAFT in Montreal!

Gary Bettman walks up to the podium and lets out the words, WE HAVE A TRADE TO ANNOUNCE! Youre gonna like this one!!

(everybody shivers with exitment)

The MONtreal Canadiens have traded (whoever) to the TAMPA BAY Lightning in return for VINCENT LECAVALIER!

The place would go WILD!!!

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I'm passing... I think the strength of the Habs, and perhaps the way to model your team within a cap environment, is avoiding the huge contracts given to superstars... Having Higgins, Pleks, AK, Kovy, Tanguay, Koivu etc in the 2M to 5m range is better than having 2 guys pulling 7m each.

Add in that dealing Higgins doesn't endear the Habs to Komi, and that they want a guy who excited all at the Juniors... Its not a good move.

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01-12-2009, 10:55 AM
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He was way better two years ago than five years ago.
It was more a figure of speach. Meaning as time goes on he probably won't get better. And by playing him this much under Torto, we don't know how much his body was abused.

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01-12-2009, 10:57 AM
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Christopher Higgins, Tomas Plekanec, prospect P.K. Subban and draft picks to the Bolts for Lecavalier

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I'd definitely rather keep Subban.
Same here, you just can't find talent like his anymore, its too rare. Hes a great team player with explosive talent. McDonnaugh is great but If i had to choose, I'm with PK.

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01-12-2009, 10:59 AM
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I just don't want the same kind of trade that was made to bring in Mark Recchi. Houle wanted to bring in a big name player and gave up two huge pieces to get him.
That was Serge Savard's deal.

And as good as Recchi was, he was never as valuable as Lecavalier.

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I'm passing... I think the strength of the Habs, and perhaps the way to model your team within a cap environment, is avoiding the huge contracts given to superstars... Having Higgins, Pleks, AK, Kovy, Tanguay, Koivu etc in the 2M to 5m range is better than having 2 guys pulling 7m each.
Your own team has a guy making 7.5 M as the center piece and I am sure you don't mind. If you have one, just like the Bruins with Chara and the Habs if they get Lecavalier, and the guy produces, it's fine. It's when you have 2-3 guys making that type of coin that you get in trouble.

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01-12-2009, 11:00 AM
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I'm passing... I think the strength of the Habs, and perhaps the way to model your team within a cap environment, is avoiding the huge contracts given to superstars... Having Higgins, Pleks, AK, Kovy, Tanguay, Koivu etc in the 2M to 5m range is better than having 2 guys pulling 7m each.
I'm starting to think about this too. Do we really need a big star with a big loaded contract when things are going so well now with a different model?

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Add in that dealing Higgins doesn't endear the Habs to Komi, and that they want a guy who excited all at the Juniors... Its not a good move.
I don't think it's going to be an issue. Komi will be a Hab for life.

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01-12-2009, 11:05 AM
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I'm starting to think about this too. Do we really need a big star with a big loaded contract when things are going so well now with a different model?
Things are going well now but let's be honest...we know how plekanec is in the playoffs, and giving up plek+higgins+subban+picks is small fries to get a top 5 player in the league. Vinny has a proven track record, he can lead a team to a cup. and his contract shouldn't be a huge issue...many teams have one player that makes 7+ million, as long as you don't load up the team with 2 or 3 of those monster contracts you're fine.

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01-12-2009, 11:08 AM
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Two rumored deals on the table for Vinny Lecavalier. The first one includes Christopher Higgins, Tomas Plekanec, P.K. Subban and a draft pick, for Lecavalier, and possibly Jussi Jokinen, Paul Ranger, or both. The second has Robert Lang, Chris Higgins, Ryan O'Byrne, and Kyle Chipchura, and a 2010 1st round pick, for Vinny, and once again, Jussi Jokinen, and/or Paul Ranger.

http://habsinsideout.com/otherwing/ericengels/13623

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Christopher Higgins, Tomas Plekanec, prospect P.K. Subban and draft picks to the Bolts for Lecavalier
I don't think this will get it done, frankly. Think about it, Atlanta almost got as much for Hossa, only a rental player. Higgins and Plek are better than Armstrong and Christiansen but we have to think about various factors, what Vinny means to Tampa, his statue in the league, and other teams offering deals too. Just as an example, if TO offers Antropov and Kaberle they would already have something better than us.

I think the advantage the Habs would have comes from Vinny's No Trade Clause given where he would have to agree(or even choose) on where to go to be moved.

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7.7 millions/year for Vinny will sound like pocket change in 5 years. This is far from being a huge contract.

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01-12-2009, 11:11 AM
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7.7 millions/year for Vinny will sound like pocket change in 5 years. This is far from being a huge contract.
6.875M$/year...

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01-12-2009, 11:12 AM
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Christopher Higgins, Tomas Plekanec, prospect P.K. Subban and draft picks to the Bolts for Lecavalier
Thats just not worth it in a cap era. Higgins, Pleks, and Subban will all have a combined cap hit of less then what Vinny makes for years to come. Then for the habs to also throw in draft picks? No thanks. Vinny is awesome, but he is only one man and he can't do it all himself.

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01-12-2009, 11:15 AM
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Lecavalier 7,727,273.00
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6.875M$/year...
That's where I got it from

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6.875M$/year...
11 years, 85 million dollars. 85/11 = $7,727,273 million/year.

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01-12-2009, 11:18 AM
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If Mtl and a handfull of other teams were feeling out TB on Vinny, that period's over. The possibly deliberate leaks have opened up the 30 teams sweepstake bonanza for Vinny.

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6.875M$/year...
That is this year. His new contract starts next season.

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I really don't see how we could have him....I mean Toronto just has to offer Grabovski and that's it....we're done....

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01-12-2009, 11:23 AM
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I really don't see how we could have him....I mean Toronto just has to offer Grabovski and that's it....we're done....
You'd have to be crazy to offer a rare talent like Garbovsky's for a French guy like Lecavalier

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01-12-2009, 11:23 AM
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Two rumored deals on the table for Vinny Lecavalier. The first one includes Christopher Higgins, Tomas Plekanec, P.K. Subban and a draft pick, for Lecavalier, and possibly Jussi Jokinen, Paul Ranger, or both. The second has Robert Lang, Chris Higgins, Ryan O'Byrne, and Kyle Chipchura, and a 2010 1st round pick, for Vinny, and once again, Jussi Jokinen, and/or Paul Ranger.

http://habsinsideout.com/otherwing/ericengels/13623
I can't see TB dumping their best D Ranger in the deal...

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Two rumored deals on the table for Vinny Lecavalier. The first one includes Christopher Higgins, Tomas Plekanec, P.K. Subban and a draft pick, for Lecavalier, and possibly Jussi Jokinen, Paul Ranger, or both. The second has Robert Lang, Chris Higgins, Ryan O'Byrne, and Kyle Chipchura, and a 2010 1st round pick, for Vinny, and once again, Jussi Jokinen, and/or Paul Ranger.

http://habsinsideout.com/otherwing/ericengels/13623
Lol, you're joking for the second one right ? There's no way Bob would give them the 1st offer if he could give them the 2nd.

EDIT: Like Marc saif I don't see Tbay giving Ranger neither. He's one of their only true top4 Dman. If we really did get Ranger and Lecavalier for the 2nd offer I'm probably laugh my ass out ofr the rest of the week

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Lol, you're joking for the second one right ? There's no way Bob would give them the 1st offer if he could give them the 2nd.
I was thinking the same thing...

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I don't think this will get it done, frankly. Think about it, Atlanta almost got as much for Hossa, only a rental player. Higgins and Plek are better than Armstrong and Christiansen but we have to think about various factors, what Vinny means to Tampa, his statue in the league, and other teams offering deals too. Just as an example, if TO offers Antropov and Kaberle they would already have something better than us.

I think the advantage the Habs would have comes from Vinny's No Trade Clause given where he would have to agree(or even choose) on where to go to be moved.
Lol, you really think Erik Christensen, Armstrong, Esposito and 1st is almost as much as the package we're offering for Vinnie. What planet are you on ?

Christensen = shootout specialist( healthy scratch for Atlanta I think lol)
Armstrong = 3rd-4th line plugger
Esposito =/= Subban ( for your arguments sake, even if I don't agree)
1st=1st

Do you really believe Plek and Higgins are just a little bit better than Christensen and Armstrong?

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Lecavalier trade???????

Vinny is the face of TB. Cant see ownership telling everyone that Vinny is here for the rest of his career and then trading him a few months later after signing a lengthy contract.

Also, he is heavily involved in the community with the children's cancer research center. The economy has had a huge impact on the Tampa area. More-so than other areas of the country/continent. Cant see trading your superstar and losing all those fans. I cant imagine the loss in attendance/revenue from effects of trading Vinny. There was a huge backlash from Dan Boyle being traded to San Jose. Fans were really torqued off.

What would TB get in return? TB needs TOP BLUE-LINERS! More forwards, not really worth it. Goaltending has been a huge issue for the past 3 years in TB. Would Montreal be willing to give up Carey Price??

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Vinny is the face of TB. Cant see ownership telling everyone that Vinny is here for the rest of his career and then trading him a few months later after signing a lengthy contract.

Also, he is heavily involved in the community with the children's cancer research center. The economy has had a huge impact on the Tampa area. More-so than other areas of the country/continent. Cant see trading your superstar and losing all those fans. I cant imagine the loss in attendance/revenue from effects of trading Vinny. There was a huge backlash from Dan Boyle being traded to San Jose. Fans were really torqued off.

What would TB get in return? TB needs TOP BLUE-LINERS! More forwards, not really worth it. Goaltending has been a huge issue for the past 3 years in TB. Would Montreal be willing to give up Carey Price??
oh, man please stop you're killing me ! my gut hurts from the laughter.
Its all about $$$ my friend it has nothing to do with wanting to trade him !!

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