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01-13-2009, 07:09 PM
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Higgins Crosby Sykora
Antropov Malkin (Ponikarovsky or Kulemin)
Dupuis Jeffrey Kennedy
Cooke Talbot Godard/Minard

Goligoski Orpik
Letang (White or O'Byrne)
Eaton Gill

Is that lineup more likely to win than what the Pens have playing right now?

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01-13-2009, 07:35 PM
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Trade might work in real life. BUt pens fans love staal

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01-13-2009, 09:47 PM
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mtl and tor do this trade but pittsburgh says no way

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01-13-2009, 09:55 PM
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I think Pit. is a little unwilling cause they could get something better and the best 2 parts Antropov & Higgins are UFA and RFA next year while Whitney and Staal are signed long term.
A little. Yes.
This thread tells you a little bit about why Jaded Fan made his thread in this forum today.

Staal and Whitney could both be traded, yes. But the return has to have some kind of relation to what's being given up.

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01-13-2009, 10:07 PM
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So the Habs trade S Koistytsin,D'agostini and Mcdonough for Whitney, and a 2010 2nd rd pick. The Habs just get robbed in this deal. Talk about bad proposals. Bob is just to to answer back and hangs up.
I certainly agree it may seem like a lot, but MTL is a very deep prospect organization, so my thinking was based on the facts that Whitney would be that PP quarterback they're seeking and getting a 2nd rd pick. Also, this would open up spots for maxwell and pacioretty to join the mtl roster. Whitney is a proven OFD who can easily put up 60-70 pts when healthy...seems pretty fair to me considering what i've been reading mtl would have to give up to get vinny in his hometown...3 roster players, a prospect, and picks...

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01-13-2009, 11:00 PM
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Pens wouldn't consider this ever.

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01-14-2009, 02:08 AM
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I don't think people understand the fact that two players signed to very good long term deals and they aren't useless players either actually gives them a little more value than the original value people thought they had. No more guessing how much a player will get during arbitration or whatever, they are signed, sealed and delivered with a long term contract.

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01-14-2009, 02:13 AM
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Leafs might do this... Staal and 2nd is not bad for Antropov and Kulemin

I doubt Mon does it. S. Kostitsyn, D'Agostini and McDonough seems like an overpayment for Whitney and 2nd rounder.
Antropovs better than Staal, and Kulemin is better than a 2nd.

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01-14-2009, 02:15 AM
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Antropovs better than Staal, and Kulemin is better than a 2nd.
One of your statements is true, the latter, the former you are so off base it's not even funny. Well kind of funny.

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01-14-2009, 09:36 AM
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Pittsburgh from Toronto
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Antropov, Ponikarovsky, White

Toronto from Pittsburgh
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Staal, Satan, 1st (Montreal's) (essentially Staal & 1st)

Pittsburgh from Montreal
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Higgins, 1st

Montreal from Pittsburgh
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Whitney, 2nd

-Toronto gets a Staal and a late 1st, would advance their rebuilt tremendously while ensuring they honestly tank this year and are in the Tavedman sweepstakes.

-Montreal gets a long term puck mover and power play QB that they covet at a good bargain who doesn't seem to be making a win or lose difference for Pittsburgh.

-Pittsburgh gets 2 30 goal power forwards that have good chemistry with each other and aren't afraid of playing physical and in traffic with good enough puck skills to benefit from a skilled playmaker, get a potential franchise winger in 25 year old Higgins who almost got 30 goals last year, dumps Satan, gets feisty stay at home defenceman who's still under 25.

Then Pittsburgh has
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Higgins Crosby Sykora
Antropov Malkin Ponikarovsky
Cooke Jeffrey Fedotenko
Kennedy Talbot Godard

Goligoski Orpik
Letang White
Gonchar Eaton/Gill (until Gonchar's good enough for the 1st line)

Assumed outcome
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Burke gets to gloat about getting Staal, since Canada is apparently in love with him, as well as another 1st to go along with the rebuild.

Montreal can stop kicking themselves for letting Streit go and develop Whitney long term

Pittsburgh doesn't majorly lose out on any positions and all but solve their winger catastrophe, at least until they can draft franchise wingers, get to dump a floater and still have a highly capable defensive corps, have an opportunity to make the playoffs this year and not replace Tampa as the laughingstock of the league.
How about Pittsburgh throws Crosby in to?

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01-14-2009, 09:54 AM
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Yikes...Pens say no thanks to any of these.

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Penguins say .... play ... err trade with yourselves.

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01-14-2009, 02:18 PM
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Higgins is a potential franchise winger? I need to watch the Habs more.
you took the words out of my mouth. .

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How about Pittsburgh throws Crosby in to?
Why would they throw in Crosby? They have a huge problem on wings and they can correct it in one move while giving up no one who's crucial to the team. Staal is a clutch player once every 10 games and it's possible that he'll become a great player but he's still a shutdown center being put on wing out of necessity, isn't that fast, has a subpar shot (Staal wide of the net is probably the most frequently uttered phrase during a Pens broadcast), and getting 2 good wingers. Whitney's great for his age and will improve, but he's not a difference maker for the Pens and they have 3 puck movers without him. Not to mention he has a pretty large contract for a defender on a team with one half-decent winger. He's the most movable asset on the Pens right now.

Essentially, if it was possible to just do a deal with Toronto in the vein of Staal, Whitney, Satan, Dupuis and a pick for Hagman, Kulemin, Antropov, Ponikarovsky and White, that would probably improve the Pens tremendously.

Yeah, I get it... Whitney's great, Staal's great, you're undervaluing our great players, blah blah blah, but the Pens are ******** the bed right now and you gotta lose some to win some. The Pens are losing 2 young talented players with good contracts and some junk while getting 2 solid, forechecking players that go to the net and have pretty decent skill with 30-40 goal potential with a good center and who have great chemistry in Antropov and Ponikarovsky, a stable 1st or 2nd line winger signed long term in Hagman, a first line winger prospect already playing in the NHL in Kulemin, and a young cheap 2nd line shutdown defender in White. Pittsburgh still has 3 puck movers (when Gonchar comes back). Then you have 3 legitimate scoring lines and a checking line that can pitch in. Really, the Pens are gonna have to address the winger crisis sooner or later, and this is likely the best way to do it without going into another rebuild or tying up another 7 million in an expensive free agent.

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