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01-14-2009, 02:25 PM
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Just wondering what it would take the Senators to get Bieksa away from the 'Nucks?

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Since I just bought a Bieksa jersey, I'm hoping it would take a lot...

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Atleast 20 teams would like to know that answer.

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Most likely more than you'd be willing to offer. The only thing I could see the Canucks willing to do would be to package Bieksa for one of Heatley or Spezza, but that's more of an off-season idea.

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I don't know that the Canucks and Senators are good trading partners, but what about this;

To Ott:
Kevin Bieksa
Yann Sauve
1st Round in 2009
2nd Round in 2010

To Van:
Dany Heatley
2nd Round in 2009

I only see Bieksa being moved if we get a legitimate impact player back. Bieksa gives the Sens a very strong blueliner and Sauve is an up and coming prospect putting up career numbers in the Q.

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I wish.

Not enough for heatley.

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What Philly has to offer wont be enough to even post a proposal.

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I really can't see Bieksa being moved this year unless a deal comes along that blows Vancouver's socks off. Teams just don't trade their number 1 d-man when they are fighting for a playoff spot and he's locked up long term.

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The only way Bieksa is being moved this year is if the player coming back makes the team significantly better. So for Ottawa, it will take Heatley (not for Bieksa alone obviously) but that is who it would have to be.

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I would still be stoked if Shero could move Whitney for Bieksa, I always thought it would be great for both teams considering Bieksa is a right hand shot, aggressive and shoots more. Whitney is the guy that rushes up the ice and is a little more into the rush than shooting the puck but he's getting his game back on track after missing 30+.

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I would still be stoked if Shero could move Whitney for Bieksa, I always thought it would be great for both teams considering Bieksa is a right hand shot, aggressive and shoots more. Whitney is the guy that rushes up the ice and is a little more into the rush than shooting the puck but he's getting his game back on track after missing 30+.
Why would Vancouver even consider that?

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Why would Vancouver even consider that?
Because vcx would be stoked if it happened?

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Because vcx would be stoked if it happened?
I'd be stoked if Crosby was included in the deal.

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Realistically as many others have said... Heatley. We'd of course have to throw in quite a few assets to make it pheasable.

TO VAN
Heatley

TO OTT
Bieksa
Sauve
Raymond
1st
2nd

I doubt Ottawa would even do that. It doesn't realistically look like the 2 are good trading partners.

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Realistically as many others have said... Heatley. We'd of course have to throw in quite a few assets to make it pheasable.

TO VAN
Heatley

TO OTT
Bieksa
Sauve
Raymond
1st
2nd

I doubt Ottawa would even do that. It doesn't realistically look like the 2 are good trading partners.
More like

Bieksa
Schneider
Hodgson
1st

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01-14-2009, 09:11 PM
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Yup, I won't argue, that's probably what it would take... I'd really consider that to as a viable option.

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He is our No.1 Dman, clearly better than Edler, Ohlund, Mitchell...It would take quite a bit to land him.

It looks like he's proving that he has recovered from his injury 100%

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ok forget Bieksa what would it take to get Ohlund

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ok forget Bieksa what would it take to get Ohlund
He's got a NTC, but why would the Canucks trade him?

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Spezza for Bieksa

If Ottawa wants Ohlund we'd give him to you for your 1st round pick (not San Jose's but your own)

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The only way Bieksa is being moved this year is if the player coming back makes the team significantly better. So for Ottawa, it will take Heatley (not for Bieksa alone obviously) but that is who it would have to be.
It will take a lot for Vancouver to get Heatley from Ottawa. Dany Heatley is a two time 41 goal and two time 50 goal scorer. Dany Heatley is an elite winger and if you consider what it would take to get Ovechkin, Lecavalier, Malkin, or Crosby from their teams, then you will know how much it will take to get Dany Heatley.

Mr. Canucklehead's proposal would never happen for Heatley. Even having the second round picks swapped is crazy. Ottawa's second round pick is 33rd overall this year, which is almost another first round pick. To swap this pick for an unknown second round selection next year along with Bieksa, Sauve, first for Heatley and almost first round is insane.

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More like

Bieksa
Schneider
Hodgson
1st
This is very close deal for Heatley, but it actually might take more then that to land Heatley.

As for Bieksa's value, it is hard to say. He has played in 3.5 NHL seasons and at age 27 is just hitting his prime. However, Bieksa had that horrific injury last season where he missed 48 games and this year has already missed 9 games. It's hard to value a player that has a history of injury and scored 42 points once in his NHL career.

Bieksa is not a top tier defenseman at this time. On some teams he could be the second pairing defenseman, while on others he would be the third or fourth pairing defenseman.

If Bieksa can get his injuries in check, then his value would increase. At this time, Bieksa would not be able to get any top tier talent for Vancouver and would have to be packaged with other top tier talent or prospects to get a good piece back from another team.

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Canuck fans rather have Vinny Lecavelier over Heatly. Thank you Ottawa fans. You guys can stop the Heatly for our entire future and present, type bull crap.

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It will take a lot for Vancouver to get Heatley from Ottawa. Dany Heatley is a two time 41 goal and two time 50 goal scorer. Dany Heatley is an elite winger and if you consider what it would take to get Ovechkin, Lecavalier, Malkin, or Crosby from their teams, then you will know how much it will take to get Dany Heatley.

Mr. Canucklehead's proposal would never happen for Heatley. Even having the second round picks swapped is crazy. Ottawa's second round pick is 33rd overall this year, which is almost another first round pick. To swap this pick for an unknown second round selection next year along with Bieksa, Sauve, first for Heatley and almost first round is insane.

This is very close deal for Heatley, but it actually might take more then that to land Heatley.

As for Bieksa's value, it is hard to say. He has played in 3.5 NHL seasons and at age 27 is just hitting his prime. However, Bieksa had that horrific injury last season where he missed 48 games and this year has already missed 9 games. It's hard to value a player that has a history of injury and scored 42 points once in his NHL career.

Bieksa is not a top tier defenseman at this time. On some teams he could be the second pairing defenseman, while on others he would be the third or fourth pairing defenseman.

If Bieksa can get his injuries in check, then his value would increase. At this time, Bieksa would not be able to get any top tier talent for Vancouver and would have to be packaged with other top tier talent or prospects to get a good piece back from another team.
You dont know much about Bieksa.

Bieksa is a top pairing and wouldent come cheap.

edit:just realized it wasnt you who mentioned Ohlund but someone else
Ohlund is not as valuable as some might want you to believe, the guy is good positionally, has skill, leadership, grit, everything you want heading in to the playoffs. Having said that Ohlund has gotten really slow and its hurting his play, he no longer is the player he was and he wont be a offensive threat anymore. Personally his loss of speed is troubling and might cut his career short, like other skilled players who just couldent keep up as they got older. I think going forward he is increasingly going to be just a shut down guy, great infront of his net and in his own zone but unable to jump in to the play or be effective in the offensive zone because of his lack of speed to get back.
Having said that Ohlund isnt going anywhere either, firstly he has a NTC and secondly like I said he is a player you want going in to the playoffs, it would make no sense to trade him. Anyways its very possible that the Canucks dont resign him so someone can get him for free, though he seems to be the type of player that gets overpayed(he shouldent get anything more than he gets now, and his contract length should be shorter rather than longer)

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Bieksa is not a top tier defenseman at this time. On some teams he could be the second pairing defenseman, while on others he would be the third or fourth pairing defenseman.


Wow.

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You dont know much about Bieksa.

Bieksa is a top pairing and wouldent come cheap.
Bieksa would not even be top pairing on the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Kaberle - Kubina
Bieksa - (insert player)

I did say Bieksa could be a second pairing defenseman on some teams and a third to fourth pairing on other teams. However, he would mostly be a third or fourth pairing on most teams. Bieksa has only played 3.5 seasons with only one 42 point season. How would a player of his caliber cost a lot?

The Maple Leafs was very high on Carlo Colaiacovo for years, but the kid kept getting injured. Right now, Bieksa is not as extreme as Colaiacovo, but has missed 48 games last season and already missed 9 games this season. Bieksa is not even a young prospect anymore, but an NHL player at 27 years of age.

Teams who pay a defenseman $3.75 million per year expect that player to be in the line up at least 70+ games per year. So far, Bieksa has shown to have only one season at 81 games played, while the rest were injury seasons or call ups in the first season.

In a salary cap NHL, a player who makes $3.75 million should be valuable enough to be an impact on the ice. If Bieksa cannot play 70+ games consistently for his team, then his impact is lessened for that team at a cap hit of $3.75 million for another two years.

A lot of people laughed at the Maple Leafs for signing Jeff Finger. If you really look at the big picture, the same can almost be said for Kevin Bieksa.

Take a look at the comparisons:

Jeff Finger:
29 years old
Time in NHL: 3 (128 games played)
Career points: 33 points
Salary: $3.5 million for three more years

Kevin Bieksa:
Age: 27
Time in NHL: 3.5 seasons (190 games played)
Career points: 82 points
Salary: $3.75 million for two more years

The only difference between the two players? Kevin Bieksa has 49more career points and 62 more games then Jeff Finger, and is only two years younger.

Yet, everyone on these boards laughed when Jeff Finger was signed to $3.5 million and Kevin Bieksa who has not proven anything in the NHL receives $250,000 more then Jeff Finger.

Kevin Bieksa on most teams is a third to fourth pairing defenseman, and would not garner any return for a top pairing defenseman value. He still needs to prove his worth, just like Jeff Finger needs to prove his worth.

Kevin Bieksa would receive the value of a third or fourth pairing defenseman at most. His history of injury and salary make it difficult to justify his value as a top pairing defenseman.


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