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Ron Francis vs. Mats Sundin (prime)

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Ron Francis 154 78.17%
Mats Sundin 36 18.27%
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01-15-2009, 04:05 PM
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Ron Francis vs. Mats Sundin (prime)

Both were known as consistent scorers (Francis had sixteen 70+ seasons, Sundin had fifteen).

Francis: 1.04 PPG
Sundin: 1.01 PPG

But there is more to hockey than numbers.

Take your pick.

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01-15-2009, 04:10 PM
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Both were known as consistent scorers (Francis had sixteen 70+ seasons, Sundin had fifteen).

Francis: 1.04 PPG
Sundin: 1.01 PPG

But there is more to hockey than numbers.

Take your pick.
Stanley Cups:
Francis: 2
Sundin: 0

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01-15-2009, 04:13 PM
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01-15-2009, 04:20 PM
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Is this serious? Francis by Miles. Sundin is a good player for a long time. Francis was great.

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01-15-2009, 04:23 PM
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Francis very easily.

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01-15-2009, 04:30 PM
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Ronnie Franchise. Where is Bilros/Nordic to defend Sundin and telling everyone how superior he is compared to Francis.

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01-15-2009, 04:42 PM
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Francis also had lemieux and jagr to help with those 2 stanley cups and sundin had ..........nobody really.

I'd take the big swede if i was allowed to vote.

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01-15-2009, 04:48 PM
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Francis also had lemieux and jagr to help with those 2 stanley cups and sundin had ..........nobody really.

I'd take the big swede if i was allowed to vote.
Why aren't you allowed to vote?

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Francis also had lemieux and jagr to help with those 2 stanley cups and sundin had ..........nobody really.

I'd take the big swede if i was allowed to vote.
This.

Sundin made the All-Star Team in the Canada Cup in both 1991 and 1996. He had 114 points in 92/93 playing with Sakic, while Francis produced about the same numbers, playing with the most talented forward of all-time (Lemieux) and one of the most dominant wingers of all-time (Jagr).

Sundin had the ability to dominate games with his strength and size. He was also a way better goal-scorer than Francis.

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Sundin is and was the better player

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01-15-2009, 05:00 PM
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Why aren't you allowed to vote?
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Francis by a long shot.

He put up 9 straight seasons of better than 70 pts on the Hartford freaking whalers!

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01-15-2009, 06:03 PM
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haha funny poll keep it up

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Francis by far, one of the best playmakers and underrated players of all time.

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Francis all the way

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01-15-2009, 06:15 PM
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Francis by a long shot.

He put up 9 straight seasons of better than 70 pts on the Hartford freaking whalers!
Sundin in the 80s would have put up no less than 90 every year, no matter the team. Hell he was a point-per-gamer in the dead puck era even when he had crap to work with.

I'd take Sundin, always impressed me far more than Francis, but had comparatively no help at all. It was impressive seeing Sundin carry his lines on my most hated team for all those years.

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Ronnie Franchise. Where is Bilros/Nordic to defend Sundin and telling everyone how superior he is compared to Francis.
Francis played with the likes of Lemieux and Jagr, Sundin played with Höglund and Bill Berg

Francis spent most of his career in an era where defence didn't exist, and where goalies were utterly useless.

Good enough?

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01-15-2009, 06:26 PM
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Did Mats Sundin even had a prime? He was a good player throughout his career and still is....[Though his first couple of seasons, he had good numbers, didn't he?]

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Did Mats Sundin even had a prime? He was a good player throughout his career and still is....[Though his first couple of seasons, he had good numbers, didn't he?]
He had more points than Sakic in Quebec before he was traded to Totonto.

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Francis played with the likes of Lemieux and Jagr, Sundin played with Höglund and Bill Berg

Francis spent most of his career in an era where defence didn't exist, and where goalies were utterly useless.

Good enough?
No

Actually HHOFers like Patrick Roy and Grant Fuhr played at the same time, and alot of their career over lapped, and Francis was still better.

Just because Francis is/was a superior player, doesn't mean that Sundin is in any way bad. It's the say way Lemieux being a superior player to Francis doesn't make him less great.

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01-15-2009, 06:29 PM
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Its pretty even but I would take Francis simply because he was one of the best passers ever. Sundin is more well rounded but can't be considered one of the best ever in any facet of the game other then consistancy. Either way, I'd be happy with either in their prime.

Francis got to play with Lemieux but he also played for Harford and Carolina for a very long time. Sundin was never on a god awful team except for maybe a couple of seasons. One can also make the argument that if you took Francis off the Pens, would they have won those cups? Maybe, maybe not. Francis isn't dead weight, his contributions to those cups were significant.

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Francis played with the likes of Lemieux and Jagr, Sundin played with Höglund and Bill Berg

Francis spent most of his career in an era where defence didn't exist, and where goalies were utterly useless.

Good enough?
Francis went up against the likes of Fuhr, Roy, Hasek, Belfour, Brodeur, etc. for the most of his career. So, yeah, definitely useless. I also love how you act like he played with Jagr and Lemieux(and he was actually on the second line quite a bit while they were on the first) his whole career. You realize he spent most of his career on an island either with Hartford or Carolina?

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Stanley Cups:
Francis: 2
Sundin: 0
Yeah of course being on a team with the likes of Jagr and Lemieux certainly doesn't help hey?

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