Francis also had lemieux and jagr to help with those 2 stanley cups and sundin had ..........nobody really.
I'd take the big swede if i was allowed to vote.
Sundin made the All-Star Team in the Canada Cup in both 1991 and 1996. He had 114 points in 92/93 playing with Sakic, while Francis produced about the same numbers, playing with the most talented forward of all-time (Lemieux) and one of the most dominant wingers of all-time (Jagr).
Sundin had the ability to dominate games with his strength and size. He was also a way better goal-scorer than Francis.
Its pretty even but I would take Francis simply because he was one of the best passers ever. Sundin is more well rounded but can't be considered one of the best ever in any facet of the game other then consistancy. Either way, I'd be happy with either in their prime.
Francis got to play with Lemieux but he also played for Harford and Carolina for a very long time. Sundin was never on a god awful team except for maybe a couple of seasons. One can also make the argument that if you took Francis off the Pens, would they have won those cups? Maybe, maybe not. Francis isn't dead weight, his contributions to those cups were significant.
Francis played with the likes of Lemieux and Jagr, Sundin played with Höglund and Bill Berg
Francis spent most of his career in an era where defence didn't exist, and where goalies were utterly useless.
Francis went up against the likes of Fuhr, Roy, Hasek, Belfour, Brodeur, etc. for the most of his career. So, yeah, definitely useless. I also love how you act like he played with Jagr and Lemieux(and he was actually on the second line quite a bit while they were on the first) his whole career. You realize he spent most of his career on an island either with Hartford or Carolina?