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01-27-2009, 12:10 PM
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Clark has had plenty of time. He has lost it and now the Caps need to trade him for a bad of pucks for all I care. His salary will keep Alzner up. Sorry guys but Clark has not bee good in a couple years. He is not going to be good int his system either. He needs to go.

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01-27-2009, 12:27 PM
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Clark has had plenty of time. He has lost it and now the Caps need to trade him for a bad of pucks for all I care. His salary will keep Alzner up. Sorry guys but Clark has not bee good in a couple years. He is not going to be good int his system either. He needs to go.
The Capitals apparantly feel differently. BTW, Clark was just fine last season in the games that he played. His injury has required him to completely change his skating stride and basically relearn the game. He is also admired in the locker room. This is why the Caps have not made any moves in that direction.

I would also suggest that McPhee waited til the last minute for Matt Pettinger to find his scoring touch last season before trading him at the deadline. I would imagine that he would wait that long for a player that has shown he was better than Pettinger and is clearly more valuable than Pettinger was. That said, McPhee also traded for Huet which ended Kolzig's reign and I think its likely that McPhee has the strenth to make a move with Clark that was as hard as replacing Kolzig was.

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01-27-2009, 12:56 PM
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Clark, it seems to me, is going to be one of those guys who finds a whole other gear in the playoffs. If he doesn't, then yeah... time's up. He sure has the appearance of a playoff player, though.

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01-27-2009, 01:04 PM
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A random thought to toss out there? Jay Pandolfo. Both guys are struggling and make about the same amount of money for the same number of years. One is a defensive specialist and the other a scorer who isn't scoring.

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01-27-2009, 01:42 PM
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Clark isn't getting his game back unless he finds that step he lost and there is little chance that happens. He just can't get to where he needs to be in order to create offense anymore. He can't PK anymore. He's ok on the boards and shows a ton of desire but besides that he brings little or nothing to the table. At this point he is a marginal 4th liner at best and the Caps have much better 4th line options. I'm sorry to say it because he has given a lot to the franchise but he is done.

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01-27-2009, 01:42 PM
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Sutter could stick Clark on a line with Zubie. Instant 30 goals.

Oh wait.

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01-27-2009, 01:46 PM
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To me, you simply don't trade your captain in the middle of a playoff run. After the season? You explore it if his performance doesn't improve, but trading him now could be disastrous.

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01-27-2009, 01:49 PM
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Clarks role with this team may reside right in front of the next "hot" goaltender we face, the one with every shot hitting his crest. If he cant get it done in front of the net, I am not sure of his value to our team. Lets stick a full shield on him toss on some power armor, and camp him out in front.

After getting cracked in the head by Ovi, does he even want to do it anymore? I wouldnt blame him if he doesnt. Ovi probably almost ended his career with that shot to his ear.

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01-27-2009, 02:17 PM
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A random thought to toss out there? Jay Pandolfo. Both guys are struggling and make about the same amount of money for the same number of years. One is a defensive specialist and the other a scorer who isn't scoring.
Done. Pandolfo is at least still an effective PKer and the Caps' PK needs any help it can get. Plus Pandolfo has a couple of rings...

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01-27-2009, 02:52 PM
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To me, you simply don't trade your captain in the middle of a playoff run. After the season? You explore it if his performance doesn't improve, but trading him now could be disastrous.
Whats the difference in that and scratching him? Doesn't matter if he is the Captain. He isn't your captain when he is getting scratched. He will never fit in the new BB system. He cant skate anymore, cant shoot, and turns the puck over religiously. Whats that say to your team that you can be guaranteed your job because you are the captain and not because you produce. The fact that Steckel and Fehr have to get scratched to get him in is a bad thing. Look I hate to say it but he doesn't help this team in this system. He is seriously over paid for the production. There may be a team with a system that would be more his speed. Right now we need to get his salary off the books.


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01-27-2009, 03:11 PM
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Count me in the camp that thinks come playoff time, Clark will be more appreciated and closer to his old form. This team lacks in grit beyond Clark and Bradley. I don't see Brash as a gritty player of the crucial playoff role player type.

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01-27-2009, 03:15 PM
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Whats the difference in that and scratching him? Doesn't matter if he is the Captain. He isn't your captain when he is getting scratched. He will never fit in the new BB system. He cant skate anymore, cant shoot, and turns the puck over religiously. Whats that say to your team that you can be guaranteed your job because you are the captain and not because you produce. The fact that Steckel and Fehr have to get scratched to get him in is a bad thing. Look I hate to say it but he doesn't help this team in this system. He is seriously over paid for the production. There may be a team with a system that would be more his speed. Right now we need to get his salary off the books.
Even if he's scratched, he's still at practice, still available to help with off-ice problems, etc.

There's a lot more that goes into being captain than being a leader on the ice.

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01-27-2009, 03:16 PM
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Count me in the camp that thinks come playoff time, Clark will be more appreciated and closer to his old form. This team lacks in grit beyond Clark and Bradley. I don't see Brash as a gritty player of the crucial playoff role player type.
My thinking as well. This team really does not need to get rid of grit and leadership for the playoff run.

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01-27-2009, 03:25 PM
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I think if Clark is on the 4th line and not scoring and creating offense with his grit and not on the PK, that he will be traded at the deadline if the can be. Send him someplace that can use him.

This is Matt Pettinger and Olie Kolzig combined. I think he gets every chance to take a step foward and I think one good step up in his game might be enough for now, but if he can't make it, I think McPhee does something there.

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I guess when it all comes down to it nobody brings less to the lineup than Clark and since they are going to need space to keep Alzner up when Poti is ready to come back he seems the obvious one to go, captain or not, and sadly that is going to mean just sending him to Hershey because nobody is going to take that contract without giving an equally poor one back, which doesn't help keep Alzner up. I guess they could deal Morrisonn but even during a sub par season Morrisonn brings a whole lot more to the table than Clark does.

So Alzner or Clark?

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01-27-2009, 03:36 PM
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Ship Clark, Nylander, and Jurcina (sweetener) to Atlanta for future considerations. They get some legit players to build a real team with, we get cap space to build a real contender. Hugs and kisses all around.

That's my plan, and I'm sticking to it.

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I think if Clark is on the 4th line and not scoring and creating offense with his grit and not on the PK, that he will be traded at the deadline if the can be. Send him someplace that can use him.

This is Matt Pettinger and Olie Kolzig combined. I think he gets every chance to take a step foward and I think one good step up in his game might be enough for now, but if he can't make it, I think McPhee does something there.
Do you honestly think there's much of a market for a $2.6 mil 4th liner (with 2 more years) at this point? He has to regain some form, which means he needs to actually play.

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01-27-2009, 03:43 PM
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Clark > Nylander

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Yeah maybe, but Most Of the AHL players we've recalled this season > Clark and Nylander.

I like clark but both of them need to go so we can strengthen our blue line if we are serious about winning a cup.

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01-27-2009, 03:51 PM
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I think Clark could make a good captain for a team in a full rebuild, say, the St. Louis Blues. Somewhere he could get minutes and put up 20+ goals as a result.

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I think Clark could make a good captain for a team in a full rebuild, say, the St. Louis Blues. Somewhere he could get minutes and put up 20+ goals as a result.
You're all about getting Tkachuk eh?

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You're all about getting Tkachuk eh?
Nah, I don't really like Tkachuk. All I want for Clark is cap space. All I want at the deadline is top-four veteran defense.

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Does Woywitka still play out there? I always liked him.

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The only thing that occurs to me when I think of him is... too hard to spell. If he's still a prospect, though, that fits. Cap space is what I want for Clark.

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Do you honestly think there's much of a market for a $2.6 mil 4th liner (with 2 more years) at this point? He has to regain some form, which means he needs to actually play.
If he regains some form, he stays. If he would score 12 goals next season, he would be money with his grit and courage. Yea, I think there are a number of teams that would take a shot at him.

Someone took a flyer on Matt Pettinger who had far less on his resume.

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Until Clark actually looks comfortable on the ice for a prolonged period, I wouldn't expect him to do much in the playoffs other than not be a liability in a limited role. He's been physical despite losing a step but he has yet to sufficiently compensate in other areas on the ice where his lack of footspeed have taken their toll. A smarter, more skilled player might be able to get away with losing a step but a player whose bread and butter was energy has less of a base of skills to fall back on.

One could argue both Nylander and Clark need to be forced into larger roles but that doesn't seem to be Bruce's forte. He's more inclined to simply play who is going well and whoever isn't just needs to work their way out of it. That meritocratic approach has it's advantages when it comes to rewarding production but sometimes a little long-term thinking, an active nudge in the right direction and a vote of confidence is needed with players. Both players need to be more than shells of their former selves come playoff time or else this roster won't feature the depth it otherwise might. It's pretty clear that neither Nylander nor Clark have much confidence in their game these days and a vote of confidence from the coaching staff can help in allowing such a player to get back on track. Sometimes players just need that nudge and a better surrounding cast but it takes patience from the coaching staff because it is risky. A risk that, understandably, might be sacrificed in order to keep what has been working together. But $7M+ in non-productive--perhaps unmovable--veteran warm bodies in the cap era is a problem, regardless of whether the team may be successful despite it. One of the advantages down the stretch of playing fewer playoff contender teams may be that the coaching staff can attempt to coax more out of the likes of Nylander and Clark, assuming they stay put.

Toronto comes to mind as another team that might use a Clark type of veteran but I just can't see it happening given his contract. Even if a team isn't impacted by the cap due to a lower payroll, I'd think that money could be spent more wisely elsewhere.

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