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01-16-2009, 05:47 PM
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Actually not bad at all

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To Bruins:
T.Kaberle
M.Stajan

To Maple Leafs:
M.Fernandez
M.Lashoff
Z.Hamill
1st round pick 09

Flame away again!!
Nice deal for both teams IMHO. Boston gets a puck-moving D-man with a user friendly salary that is locked in for a couple of years and they land a versatile forward (can play all three forward positions) who can help cushion the long term loss STURM and short term losses (hopefully) of both BERGERON and KESSEL.

Leafs get a #1 goaltender who they have a legit shot at retaining for about the same $$$ after this season. An up and coming puckmoving D-man, a projected top six forward and a first rounder.

The real kicker is that the Bruins are a now team. If they add the right pieces prior to playoffs, they have a real shot at going deep. For them, this deal addresses the now, for the Leafs, it's a good step in a rebuilding process.

Being a Bruins fan, I really like what this deal would mean on paper...

THOMAS
RASK

CHARA-KABERLE
WARD-WIDEMAN
FERENCE-STUART
Depth: HNIDY/HUNWICK

LUCIC-SAVARD-KESSEL
WHEELER-KREJCI-RYDER
STAJAN-BERGERON-KOBASEW
AXELSSON-YELLE-THORNTON
Depth: NOKELIANEN/SOBOTKA
Long term IR: STURM

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01-16-2009, 05:54 PM
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Fair value but does Boston really need Stajan and/or Kaberle?

Maybe Stajan with all the constant injuries to Bergeron.

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01-16-2009, 05:56 PM
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Hmm but would Toronto do this? Kaberle is God's gift to hockey to them.

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01-16-2009, 05:57 PM
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Even if they weren't untouchable they wouldn't be traded for Kaberle.

Keep dreaming.
This proposal is unrealistic anyways, Kaberle won't be traded to the Bruins, you have no room.

and Kaberle is well worth Lucic. He's been out of the line-up and you've still been winning. The only reason he (Lucic) has done so well is because of his star line-mates. Lucic is overrated

Kaberle would get Lucic + a mid round pick (if he were on the table)

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01-16-2009, 05:58 PM
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I think that's fair value. Not sure Boston is looking at a puck mover like Kabs though.

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01-16-2009, 06:01 PM
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Gotta agree with Bruinsfan1 here.

Also, if the trade isn't gonna happen/you don't see them getting traded, why even propose it?
I didn't propose anything, not too mention, you have some of the worst proposals on here...why don't you run back to your teams page.

I said two players i'd want back (if they were touchable -- which i boldly said they WERE NOT) was either Kessel or Lucic.

READ IT before you post a response.

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01-16-2009, 06:04 PM
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Boston has no need for Kaberle.

They have Denis Wideman.

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THis is the exact same proposal you offered earlier, minus Nokaleinen. What are you doing?

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01-16-2009, 06:08 PM
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Nice deal for both teams IMHO. Boston gets a puck-moving D-man with a user friendly salary that is locked in for a couple of years and they land a versatile forward (can play all three forward positions) who can help cushion the long term loss STURM and short term losses (hopefully) of both BERGERON and KESSEL.

Leafs get a #1 goaltender who they have a legit shot at retaining for about the same $$$ after this season. An up and coming puckmoving D-man, a projected top six forward and a first rounder.

The real kicker is that the Bruins are a now team. If they add the right pieces prior to playoffs, they have a real shot at going deep. For them, this deal addresses the now, for the Leafs, it's a good step in a rebuilding process.

Being a Bruins fan, I really like what this deal would mean on paper...

THOMAS
RASK

CHARA-KABERLE
WARD-WIDEMAN
FERENCE-STUART
Depth: HNIDY/HUNWICK

LUCIC-SAVARD-KESSEL
WHEELER-KREJCI-RYDER
STAJAN-BERGERON-KOBASEW
AXELSSON-YELLE-THORNTON
Depth: NOKELIANEN/SOBOTKA
Long term IR: STURM
Yes, but this deal doesnt get Toronto enough quality. The 1st in 2009 will likely be right at the end. Does not help as much as people say even if its a strong draft.

Toronto should at least be given Colborne instead of Lashoff, who I see as nothing but a 5th defenseman at this point.

Flame away .

But this deal has to be something like this :

Kaberle
Stajan

for

Colborne
Hamill
Fernandez
1st '09

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01-16-2009, 06:25 PM
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The value is there for Kaberle but with Boston adding Fernandez, I'm not sure Burke is interested in an old UFA goaltender. That trade could happen minus Manny and Stajan

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01-16-2009, 06:37 PM
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Boston doesn't want Kaberle...

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01-16-2009, 06:47 PM
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Yes, but this deal doesnt get Toronto enough quality. The 1st in 2009 will likely be right at the end. Does not help as much as people say even if its a strong draft.

Toronto should at least be given Colborne instead of Lashoff, who I see as nothing but a 5th defenseman at this point.

Flame away .

But this deal has to be something like this :

Kaberle
Stajan

for

Colborne
Hamill
Fernandez
1st '09
I can't see the Bruins paying this much for Kaberle & Stajan. This truly makes them stronger right now, but it cripples their future. If the Bruins are leading the conference with what they have now, I don't see why they'd pay so dearly for a quick fix.

History also tells us that the majority of the time, the rebuilding and/or bubble teams usually end up paying more when dealing with teams that are in a comfortable spot. If the Bruins swing a deal, it won't empty the cupboards.

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01-16-2009, 07:08 PM
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Why is Manny Fernandez in there? The leafs have Toskala and Joseph.

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Fernandez>Toskala, Joseph

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Boston doesn't want Kaberle...
No, you don't.

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Fernandez>Toskala, Joseph
Who cares? Toskala is doing fine. Keep the cap hit.

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Wouldn't Kaberle and Stajan take up some of the cap space needed to sign Kessel and Krejci?


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No, you don't.

Who cares? Toskala is doing fine. Keep the cap hit.
If by fine, you mean about as bad as possible I agree.

I also agree we should keep the cap hit... it's gone after this season and Fernandez will end up being very important to this team and their playoff run.

Kabs would be a nice addition, but discussing a possible move with Leaf nation will go nowhere as there are some that insist he is worth your best young players, and all your 1st round picks for then next 5 years.

If that were his actual price, I'd sooner rent Schneider much cheaper, or make that type of payment for a guy like JBo.

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I can't see the Bruins paying this much for Kaberle & Stajan. This truly makes them stronger right now, but it cripples their future. If the Bruins are leading the conference with what they have now, I don't see why they'd pay so dearly for a quick fix.

History also tells us that the majority of the time, the rebuilding and/or bubble teams usually end up paying more when dealing with teams that are in a comfortable spot. If the Bruins swing a deal, it won't empty the cupboards.
Cripple your future? How many players under 30 do the B's have on thier current roster? Add Stajan to that mix and Kaberle is 30. Not totally agreing with the trade but Boston has several young players on thier roster already, doubt it cripples your future.

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Cripple your future? How many players under 30 do the B's have on thier current roster? Add Stajan to that mix and Kaberle is 30. Not totally agreing with the trade but Boston has several young players on thier roster already, doubt it cripples your future.
Colburne and Hamill are both years away, but both are slated to be top end centers in Boston at some point.

While I could see the Bruins potentially dealing one of them, dealing both would in fact give us a shallow pool of potential type flight centers down the road.

As decent as Stajan is, he isn't a top flight center, and right now we have three that are better, so he wouldn't really make sense.

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01-16-2009, 08:21 PM
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If by fine, you mean about as bad as possible I agree.

I also agree we should keep the cap hit... it's gone after this season and Fernandez will end up being very important to this team and their playoff run.

Kabs would be a nice addition, but discussing a possible move with Leaf nation will go nowhere as there are some that insist he is worth your best young players, and all your 1st round picks for then next 5 years.

If that were his actual price, I'd sooner rent Schneider much cheaper, or make that type of payment for a guy like JBo.
I think by fine he does mean that he's helping the Leafs achieve their goal of tanking .


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If that were his actual price, I'd sooner rent Schneider much cheaper, or make that type of payment for a guy like JBo.
What happens when someone else beats you to both?

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As much as I want Kaberle on Boston.....unless we acquire a good backup goalie I'm not sold on this deal.

While THomas has been lights out this year......I personally see Fernandez taking over the starting job and playing in the playoffs.

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This is one of the better proposals that I have read. Gives both teams something that they could use. I would miss Stajan moving but the return looks good.

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youre right.

he sucks.

really, should be in the ahl.

he's always sucked before, and he will always suck in the future (excpet a contract year)
Whats funny is this is what Bruins fans were saying about Fernandez last season.... Give the guy credit for turning it around this season.

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Cripple your future? How many players under 30 do the B's have on thier current roster? Add Stajan to that mix and Kaberle is 30. Not totally agreing with the trade but Boston has several young players on thier roster already, doubt it cripples your future.
Bergeron, Bitz, Kessel, Kobasew, Krejci, Lucic, Nokelainen, Ryder, Sobotka, Wheeler, Ference, Hunwick, Lashoff, Stuart, and Wideman are all under 30 years of age. What's your point?

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