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03-07-2004, 10:01 PM
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Buyers or Sellers?

Well, by the time we play again the trade deadline will have passed. So I just wanted to throw it out there. Should we be attempting to buy or sell? Possibly a combination, moving a high salary dissapointment for another big money guy who may be a better fit.

I myself say tweak the roster after watching the last two games.

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03-07-2004, 10:36 PM
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Buy, we've got the 8th spot right.. Buy all the way

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Well, by the time we play again the trade deadline will have passed. So I just wanted to throw it out there. Should we be attempting to buy or sell? Possibly a combination, moving a high salary dissapointment for another big money guy who may be a better fit.

I myself say tweak the roster after watching the last two games.

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You have to believe they're buyers after the past two days. Although I wasn't able to watch the games, from the highlights and the box scores it looks like they pretty much dominated, albeit against lesser teams.

Weinrich is looking like a pretty solid pick-up for the 5th round pick (tsk tsk all of you naysayers!). Perhaps Pleau can make another minor deal that will turn out pretty big.

I don't know if it was 210 or someone else on the Blues board who said that O'Neill has looked lost this year and is missing chances, but perhaps with Weight centering him he could become a changed man.

Just my thoughts. . .

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03-07-2004, 11:49 PM
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I think they should try to pick up a couple of scorers but if they can get a good return on one of the big money guys I would make the deal. For Pronger it would have be something big like Pitkanen(sp?) and a pick or something comparable. Unless the they are not going to qualify him and they think he will leave, if thats the case I would trade him for a little less but not much.

Dont know if that made sense but I would be a buyer unless you got good offers.

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03-07-2004, 11:54 PM
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Weinrich is looking like a pretty solid pick-up for the 5th round pick (tsk tsk all of you naysayers!). Perhaps Pleau can make another minor deal that will turn out pretty big.
Based on what exactly? Weinrich has not looked good when he's playing as a top four in most every game I've watched him. Maybe average. Right now, there's Pronger and Backman carrying the Blues defensively. Weinrich has been about as good as Baron and neither's impact has been of note IMO. And the Blues didn't dominate the Isles; it was a close game and maybe the Blues had the better of the play more often than not, but nothing I would call domination.


Two wins over the Islanders and the Sabres and it's like the start of a porno lovefest around here. I think the Blues are more buyers than sellers, but Pleau has nickel and dimed it so far. Sure he has to be frugal, but he needs to bring in a top 6 forward and a top 4 defenseman if the Blues are going to make the playoffs AND do anything when they get there (and for once I'm not even starting on Osgood). All Pleau's done so far is bring in a depth defenseman and another bottom 6 guy. I think we can deal Mellanby + something(s) for a decent piece (like a Rachunek out of Ottawa) and help the club by moving Mellanby out and bringing in something to address a need (and Mellanby better go to the East). The Blues have plenty of grit and while I love what Mellanby has done for the Blues, he just doesn't have IT anymore. Addition by subtraction that could also fill a need on the Blues.

One thing I believe is that if Pleau stands pat with those two minor moves and the current roster, the Blues are screwed.

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Well, by the time we play again the trade deadline will have passed. So I just wanted to throw it out there. Should we be attempting to buy or sell? Possibly a combination, moving a high salary dissapointment for another big money guy who may be a better fit.

I myself say tweak the roster after watching the last two games.

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they should be bargain buyers.. dont overpay for anything.. look for deals.. and dont sell the future!

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they should be bargain buyers.. dont overpay for anything.. look for deals.. and dont sell the future!
Isn't that the whole idea of a trade? For any team, I think those are the main goals. It isn't like they are gonna trade Pronger for a 3rd round pick or get rid of Tkachuk and Demitra for Ricci or something equally absurd.

Pleau will "hopefully" bring in a top 6 guy. Will we lose some prospects? yes. Will we lose a draft pick or 2? yes. But that is what the price is for those this season.

Now, to answer Lappy on Weinrich. Weinrich has played very well for what he has been brough in to do, which is to help lessen the load on Pronger and give us a bit more stable presence on defense. Have you noticed how the goals against has lessened with his arrival? How much better Osgood has played since he has been here? He has done more than his fair share of helping this defense. And all it took was a 5th round pick to get it. By far a wonderful return on the investment so far. And he has been truly our 4th best defenseman as well. Even Salvador picked it up when Weinrich got here because he was no longer being asked to shoulder as big a load.

Pleau has made a couple of decent moves that have seemed to work out so far. Will these 2 bring us the cup? Most certainly not, but they have allowed us to move those depth guys back to being depth guys and not guys we rely on to perform above their heads.

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I believe the Blues will be buyers. I know that everyone is looking for a high scoring player like O'Neill, but I would like to toss out another name that would be far cheaper - Shawn McEachern of Atlanta. Yes he is older, but he can fly and score.

Not sure what it would take to get him.

As for trading Pronger, not unless there is a massive overpayment. I have seen the Brooks rumor about Ottawa, but I am sure that every GM has asked about his availability w/ the Blues fall... The Trade would be simular to the Blake trade: Where Colorado sent there 3rd best offensive player - young stud, and a top 3 D man in Miller to LA for Blake and a grinder. I think picks were also invovled.... But dont tell this to Ottawa fans who think they can get him for a 9th rounder

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Until the last 2 games I was saying sell, sell, sell. Now I'm not sure. I think I listen to all offers (except those involving the untouchables - Pronger, Jackman, Backman and Tkachuk) and think before acting. If it's simply "Buy so we can get in better position for the playoffs, worry about the future later", then don't buy. Adding a Rucinsky for a mid-round pick would be a smart move, as far as O'Neill goes I'd offer 2 mid-level prospects and a 2nd or 3rd round pick but no one we're looking at as a "sure-fire blue-chip, can't miss prospect".

I will agree on Mellanby, though - he's near empty, deal him if there's interest and get as much as possible back w/o screwing up the deal.

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Until the last 2 games I was saying sell, sell, sell. Now I'm not sure. I think I listen to all offers (except those involving the untouchables - Pronger, Jackman, Backman and Tkachuk) and think before acting.
I think I'm in the exact same boat.

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Blues gotta be buyers. Once you get in the show, you just never know. The Blues have a G whose won the Stanley, a stud dman, and pure quality up front (Weight, Demitra, Tkaczuk).

Osgood has been flat for months, but if he gets hot and the powerplay rolls, St. Louis could go deep into the spring.

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The only reason I'd say sell is this: the Blues have chronically underachieved this season even when factoring in injuries to the defense. Weight has floated most of the season and at best been invisible most nights. If a decent deal comes along, I send him packing. When you look at teams like Los Angeles and Nashville - the former which has been racked by injuries yet is still in the playoff hunt, the latter which is definitely less talented than the Blues yet plays a better team game and is ahead in the standings because of it - I'm not sure adding players will really make this team suddenly wake up and get it into gear.

I'll go this far: if the chance to move Weight allowed us to make a deal for a real #2 center who will play 2-way hockey and get a winger who can score, I'd make that deal (but it would probably be at least 2 trades made to pull it off). I'd even offer to pay salary to the team taking Weight if we got a 1st-round pick in '05 or '06 out of it.

But...more on that later on.

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Until the last 2 games I was saying sell, sell, sell. Now I'm not sure. I think I listen to all offers (except those involving the untouchables - Pronger, Jackman, Backman and Tkachuk) and think before acting. If it's simply "Buy so we can get in better position for the playoffs, worry about the future later", then don't buy. Adding a Rucinsky for a mid-round pick would be a smart move, as far as O'Neill goes I'd offer 2 mid-level prospects and a 2nd or 3rd round pick but no one we're looking at as a "sure-fire blue-chip, can't miss prospect".

I will agree on Mellanby, though - he's near empty, deal him if there's interest and get as much as possible back w/o screwing up the deal.
I keep Mellanby unless the return is huge. His game is taylor made for the playoffs

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I keep Mellanby unless the return is huge. His game is taylor made for the playoffs
I agree, I'd want something like a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for him.

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I agree, I'd want something like a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for him.
If that's the case we'll be keeping him. I doubt he'd fetch more than a 5th unless someone really wants him.

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If that's the case we'll be keeping him. I doubt he'd fetch more than a 5th unless someone really wants him.
then I ask the Question, wouldnt you rather keep him if all he would bring back is a 5th round pick. I know I would.

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Well now that I've outwaited the Bertuzzi backlash that surely caused HF to go down, here's the response I typed up an hour plus ago.

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I keep Mellanby unless the return is huge. His game is taylor made for the playoffs
We already have Drake and he does the same thing these days, only better. Mellanby is past it; deal him now while the getting's good. His playoff rep is why he has some value because his play this year sure hasn't done anything to help his trade value. That said, I think Mellanby would kick the Blues' ass if he got a chance to, old man or not. Deal him to the East where we won't ever see him again. Playoff grit like Mellanby has a lot of value at this time of year, more than normal, and I'd like to see a package deal of Mellanby + a Sejna or Belle + Mayers to land something this team needs. Either way, if Pleau doesn't bring in some help by tomorrow, the Blues aren't going anywhere.

As for the Weinrich comments, I don't see it. He hasn't been anything special outside of a warm body that's an improvement on the bulk of our crap. Big whoop. Weinrich's play hasn't affected Osgood much, if at all, and Salvador started playing better when paired with Walker. Don't see where Weinrich played a much of a part in that. Weinrich really hasn't solidified himself with a partner even. He's been paired with pretty much everybody and the pairings are still very random from game to game. The price paid for Weinrich doesn't bother me, but making him out to be anything more than a depth guy bothers me. If the Blues had Jackman and/or MacInnis, I'd be happy with the Weinrich deal. But, they don't and as such, I'm still quite unhappy with Pleau because Weinrich ain't the answer to anything right now. In normal thought, the Weinrich deal should be one of the final deals made to solidify a team. It's not the main deal a GM makes for his team when there are very real and palpable holes on the team (and big holes at that).

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Weinrich has been better than Baron...but that's not saying much. I like it, I think if nothing else he has a steadying impact on the blueline and can teach the kids how to play defense while he's here (even if his own skills are fading).

I don't want to deal Belle, but I'd move Sejna. Mellanby IMO will be a liability come playoff time even with his warrior-like attitude...but I agree - trade him to the East so you never see him again. (Philly, Boston, Toronto and the Islanders come to mind.)

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As for the Weinrich comments, I don't see it. He hasn't been anything special outside of a warm body that's an improvement on the bulk of our crap. Big whoop. Weinrich's play hasn't affected Osgood much, if at all, and Salvador started playing better when paired with Walker. Don't see where Weinrich played a much of a part in that. Weinrich really hasn't solidified himself with a partner even. He's been paired with pretty much everybody and the pairings are still very random from game to game. The price paid for Weinrich doesn't bother me, but making him out to be anything more than a depth guy bothers me. If the Blues had Jackman and/or MacInnis, I'd be happy with the Weinrich deal. But, they don't and as such, I'm still quite unhappy with Pleau because Weinrich ain't the answer to anything right now. In normal thought, the Weinrich deal should be one of the final deals made to solidify a team. It's not the main deal a GM makes for his team when there are very real and palpable holes on the team (and big holes at that).

What Wienrich have you been watching? Eric has done everything a 3/4 D man should do. He is eating minutes(averaging 22+), plays in all situations, has been physical, has a very good outlet pass and has been very solid defensively. So what if he if he isn't putting up massive point totals, niether does Jackman. Wienrich has been a big part in the teams turn around, anyone who can't see that is blind.

As for the Mellanby question, I think if you could limit him to a third line role he can still be very effective. The only problem I have with him now is that he can't keep up with Weight, Demitra and Walt, but there aren't a lot of guys who can(even Cajanek is a half step behind them). Ideally I'd like to see Mellanby on the third line with Sillinger(talk about two vets to have on one line) and Rycroft(IMO this kid is cut from the same mold as Mel and Drake). Unless somebody is seriously overpaying(like a Rachunek for Mellanby type situation) there is no reason to let Mellanby go.

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