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01-19-2009, 03:22 PM
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Three young defensemen

Matt Carle, P.K. Subban and Yannick Weber all shoot RH and all three are offensively talented players. At the same time, the Habs have made it known they would like an upgrade on defense for a playoff run.

Which of these three would you be willing to give up in a package deal and which of these three would you most want to keep.

Weber seems to be the closest to NHL ready as a PP specialist and Subban seems to have the most upside potential. For me, Carle would be the guy to go but it would be with mixed feelings. I think the guy could be a very good NHL player some day.

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Matt Carle, P.K. Subban and Yannick Weber all shoot RH and all three are offensively talented players. At the same time, the Habs have made it known they would like an upgrade on defense for a playoff run.

Which of these three would you be willing to give up in a package deal and which of these three would you most want to keep.

Weber seems to be the closest to NHL ready as a PP specialist and Subban seems to have the most upside potential. For me, Carle would be the guy to go but it would be with mixed feelings. I think the guy could be a very good NHL player some day.
Carle for me aswell. He hasn't stood out as much as Weber and Subban

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Weber or Carle. Subban is a keeper, he has that game breaking ability that neither of the other two have.

Between Weber and Carle, I'm not sure. Carle has been hurt quite a bit but seems more defensively responsible than Weber. However Weber has a better shot.

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How about Ryan McDonagh? Personally I am a big fan of Weber and think he will be an excellent PP QB. McDonagh is also fantastic, and we saw a glimpse of what Subban brings to the table in the WJs. Right now, Subban could be in high demand and for the right deal, I would trade him. Especially knowing the Habs still have McDonagh and Weber in the fold.

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he had some bad injuries in bad time for him... I remember in 2006-2007 he had a great chance of making the team but he was injured in pre-season.... I do think he has great talent but I think weber is better right now and younger

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Protect in this order.
PK, Webber, Carle.

If the trade is with Florida for JaBo then I believe Webber would be in the package.

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Carle would be on pace for 50 points this year, whens the last time a Hamilton D got 50 points? Even Ron Hainsey who might break 50 in Atlanta this year never had an AHL PPG that would've given him more than 40. Players arent comparable, but Carle's gonna surprise alot of people

I want to keep them all. Part with Fischer, O'Byrne, picks, anything but those 3 D

McDonagh has too much upside to be considered as well IMO

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Protect in this order.
PK, Webber, Carle.

If the trade is with Florida for JaBo then I believe Webber would be in the package.
Chris Webber retired man

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I would no give up any of them.

O'Byrne and a pick or a foward should get us a solid D that's about to be UFA.

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These kids remind me of when the Canadiens had good young blueliners like Desjardins and Schneider.

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I would keep Webber over PK.
Offensively they are vary close, yet PK is not so good on defensive side I know he is working on it this year in OHL, Yet at this moment Webber is better. Carle is good D but not as much upside as the other two.

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Protect in this order.
PK, Webber, Carle.

If the trade is with Florida for JaBo then I believe Webber would be in the package.
I agree. Carle is a better puck handler but that only seems to be on the PP in the other teams zone. Weber has a cannon and plays better at even strength. Defensively Weber and Carle are a toss up, both need to improve.

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I would keep Webber over PK.
Offensively they are vary close, yet PK is not so good on defensive side I know he is working on it this year in OHL, Yet at this moment Webber is better. Carle is good D but not as much upside as the other two.
PK not being good on defense is a Myth

he's a PK regular for THE team in the OHL since last year... while increasing his offensive output... the man is Developing right before our eyes...

He's proven that he can LEARN... so u take his gamebreaking offensive abilities and you have defensive gurus such as Jarvis and Carbo teach him... and that's AFTER Lever is through with him

Stop reading people who's main information of him is his scouting report from his Draft year.

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I would no give up any of them.

O'Byrne and a pick or a foward should get us a solid D that's about to be UFA.
I'd rather keep O'Byrne, Subban, and Carle or Weber than all three offensive guys personally. Even though he's having a rough year, we don't have many players in the O'Byrne mold in the system. We need more guys with size and who should be able to take the body.

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Weber or Carle. Subban is a keeper, he has that game breaking ability that neither of the other two have.

Between Weber and Carle, I'm not sure. Carle has been hurt quite a bit but seems more defensively responsible than Weber. However Weber has a better shot.
Close call on responsibility in the Dzone between the two but I'd give the edge to Weber as he makes less risky passes than Carle. Generally though, I see Carle as being the better passer and Weber as having the better shot and a slight edge in rushing abilities. Seen very little of Subban so far so I won't comment on him.

At this point, I'd rather keep Weber than Carle if we had to lose one in a trade, but both may be useful to the Habs yet.

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PK not being good on defense is a Myth

he's a PK regular for THE team in the OHL since last year... while increasing his offensive output... the man is Developing right before our eyes...

He's proven that he can LEARN... so u take his gamebreaking offensive abilities and you have defensive gurus such as Jarvis and Carbo teach him... and that's AFTER Lever is through with him

Stop reading people who's main information of him is his scouting report from his Draft year.
I don't think PK has ever been taught how to play proper D at the NHL level. In juniors he gets away with running around all over the ice because at that level it's effective. Once he gets to Hamilton, that will be worked out of his game. However, for now he clearly lacks defensively. This was made pretty clear with some of the plays he tried at the WJCs, but it's always been true.

However, that shouldn't hurt his stock much as a prospect. What he lacks can be taught, it just means he's still developing as a prospect.

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We would trade in order: Carle, Weber, Subban

Teams would ask in order: Subban, Weber, Carle

I guess would could settle with a team for Weber, but I'd rather keep them and trade O'Byrne of course.

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There's no rush to trade any of those guys and I'd rather keep them all for the moment and see which will develop the most. None of those guys are NHL ready and there's nothing that says either of them will ever be. If they all become good enough? Keep the best and trade the rest!

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Matt Carle, P.K. Subban and Yannick Weber all shoot RH and all three are offensively talented players. At the same time, the Habs have made it known they would like an upgrade on defense for a playoff run.

Which of these three would you be willing to give up in a package deal and which of these three would you most want to keep.

Weber seems to be the closest to NHL ready as a PP specialist and Subban seems to have the most upside potential. For me, Carle would be the guy to go but it would be with mixed feelings. I think the guy could be a very good NHL player some day.
Subban. Love the kid, but he's the least known quantity and I bet some teams overpay for him based on the WJCs.

Put it this way, in those mythical Lecavalier trades... If the deal is Markov/Komisarek + other stuff... or a lesser defender (say Gorges) + Subban and other stuff. I'd happily part with Subban if his value allows us to maintain the top two.

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I wonder if the KHL finishes earlier than the NHL? Yemelin could be back for the playoffs if we didn't got ourself a D?

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I'll attack this question from another angle. I've seen a little of each player and to be honest the one who has impressed me the most is Subban. But let's put skill aside. From the comments posted in this thread there seems to be very little to choose from the three at this moment.

So what other criteria can we use. This may sound ridiculous but bear with me. How about their desire to be a Hab player. We know Subban (like Crosby) grew up a Canadiens fan. His dad was a Habs fan and I've seen pics of a very young PK in a Habs sweater.

With Carle I'll go on dumb assumption and say at the very least being a Francophone he'll have some strong sentiments for Montreal. I know this is not always the case. I've read where Patrice Bergeron and Simon Gagne hated and hate the Habs but for the most part Francophones are drawn to the Habs.

So that leaves Webber. Something tells me he wants to play in the NHL. The team would not be a big deal for me.

So when you have this extra incentive because you're playing for a team you love you bring an added dimension. I go remember the interviews with Dickie Moore, Boom Boom, the Richards, Courneyer, they always spoke about playing for the Habs as a goal in itself. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss a player that wants to play for you more than another organization.

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Matt Carle, P.K. Subban and Yannick Weber all shoot RH and all three are offensively talented players. At the same time, the Habs have made it known they would like an upgrade on defense for a playoff run.

Which of these three would you be willing to give up in a package deal and which of these three would you most want to keep.

Weber seems to be the closest to NHL ready as a PP specialist and Subban seems to have the most upside potential. For me, Carle would be the guy to go but it would be with mixed feelings. I think the guy could be a very good NHL player some day.
Carle is more advanced than Weber, better 1 on 1 and defensively. I don;t want to bring Weber here to play 6-8 minutes a game on the PP.

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These kids remind me of when the Canadiens had good young blueliners like Desjardins and Schneider.
and young blueliners like Brisebois.

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and young blueliners like Brisebois.
We had Desjardin. Schneider and Brisebois. We kept the best of those three

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We had Desjardin. Schneider and Brisebois. We kept the best of those three
LOL. Unfortunately, Desjardins was the best of the three... the rest is history.

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