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01-19-2009, 08:19 PM
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Toskala is a great goaltender. I'd hang onto him if I was Burke.
Yeah, Toskala is our ticket to a lottery pick

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01-19-2009, 10:13 PM
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Yes

I dont like neither
I never liked Christian.

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01-19-2009, 11:15 PM
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Well, since it's been mostly leafs fans coming up with proposals here I'll just say as a Canes fan... all of the proposed deals are really bad. let me break them down. First off the Canes have absolutely no need for Vesa. He's having a terrible year and costs way too much... and we don't need him.

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I don't know...Ward is pretty inconsistent. Ward is more of a #1a or 1b type goalie. I myself have never really considered him a #1 at all. To each their own though I guess.

Maybe if Carolina wants to squeek into the playoffs they should solidify their goaltending. Both Ward and Toskala could be a good tandum.
Stats, don't tell the full story and up until the last 4-5 games, Cam's had actually really good stats this year. the team around him has been bad. Cam's played like a true top 10 goalie this year. Seriously. And we just plain don't need toskala so all these proposals below are no good.

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OK I know I know this from the rumor monger himself, but since there is nothing going on as of late, let's play. Eklund has Toskala going to the Canes, no idea what for. What would Toronto be interested in from Carolina?

How about Toskala and Poni to Carolina
To Toronto Ruutu , La Rose and a second What do you think Toronto would ask back for Toskala and more importantly what do you think Carolina is willing to give up ???

Keep in mind Ruutu is a RFA next year and LaRose is a UFA.
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Even though Eklund is full of crap, I'll go along.

Carolina would probably give up Eaves, a decent pick, and Leighton for Toskala.
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To Leafs: Leighton, late round pick

To Canes: Toskala
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What about..

Toskala
Stempniak

for

Ruutu
Eaves
2nd in 09
Now onto this one...

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What kind of package incl Toskala would it take to get Staal?
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LOL, probably Kulemin and schenn.
This is not even close in the slightest. I couldn't even tell you how far off but I'm sure other hf posters will call it laughable.

Here's what Carolina is looking for:
2nd line cneter
1st line winger (at least 1 maybe 2)*
*top 6 forward (if not two 1st line wingers)

So basically we are interested in Antropov. Here's another thing I'd be willing to consider (although others might not). Jason Blake. BUT you'd have to take some salary back.

Here are the guys we're looking/willing to move. Some will move, some won't do to contracts and NTCs and such. But since this is all hypothetical, here goes.

Frank Kaberle
Josef Melichar
Scott Walker (NTC)
Matt Cullen
Patrick Eaves
Ray Whitney (for the right price, which likely is an overpayment)
Michael Leighton
Chad Larose (looking to resign him most likely though)
Ryan Bayda
Wade Brookbank

Yeah, I realize there's not much there that most teams would want, but there are some pieces. So maybe something like this, either together or separately

To CAR:
Nik Antropov
Jason Blake

To TOR:
Matt Cullen
Patrick Eaves
Frank Kaberle (to play with his bro)
Scott Walker
Michael Leighton (backup Pogge, trade toskala elsewhere)
2nd round pick
mid prospect

OK, so this deal is never gonna happen. And there would need to be some balancing on both sides, but If the Canes wanted Nik and were willing to take Blake's contract. What would you guys want? Remember Nik is a UFA and we might need to add something based on a conditional signing or something. Also let's not ask for Ruutu. He's been the Canes best forward this year and it's pretty much agreed that every Canes fan wants to keep him, so Him,Staal, Williams are off limits... unless overpayments are a massive deal happens. But in all seriousness those guys won't be moved.

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01-19-2009, 11:18 PM
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Toskala is a great goaltender. I'd hang onto him if I was Burke.
Yeah, but It's Burke. Come on.

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01-20-2009, 12:47 AM
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I want Hagman or Antropov on the Canes. Someone make a proposal up I am bad at it.

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01-20-2009, 12:50 AM
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I don't think Toronto would be interested in a 2-for-7 deal, even if it meant getting rid of Blakes contract.

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01-20-2009, 01:34 AM
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I never liked Christian.
Hes last name is Ruuttu not Ruutu if we are talking the same person.

As much as i like Toskala, why would someone trade Ruutu + spares for him? There are lots of goalies around if needed. Even outside NHL.

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01-20-2009, 02:17 AM
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There is no way Toskala is going to Canes to be 2nd goalie, and he wouldnt be the first either (ward is better, atleast this year). His salary wouldnt fit the self-budgjet that they have.

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01-20-2009, 02:30 AM
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Ward's numbers have improved a step every year he has been in the league.

05-06: 21-22 years old

3.68 goals against
.882 save percentage

06-07: 22-23 years old

2.93 goals against
.897 save percentage

07-08: 23-24 years old

2.75 goals against
.904 save percentage

08-09: 24-25

2.62 goals against
.909 save percentage


For all intents and purposes he should be coming into the prime of his career at this point. He'll play the majority of next season at 25 years old and has improved his numbers every year he has been in the league. He is every bit the goaltender that Marc Andre Fleury is and people are talking about dumping him for a goaltender who has seen his better days.

Carolina will not be spending another dime on goaltending until Ward's contract has expired unless Gerber wants to come back at around the league minimum to try to rekindle that 05-06 magic they had.

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01-20-2009, 02:31 AM
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I never liked Christian.
He was Ruuttu not Ruutu.

I'm surprised if Carolina doesn't resign Tuomo and keep him.

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01-20-2009, 08:10 AM
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Antropov
Ponikarovsky
Toskala

for

Ruutu
Larose
1st in 2009
2nd in 2010


Breakdown...

Antropov for the 1st in 09
Ponikarovsky for Ruutu
Toskala for Larose, 2nd in 2010

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01-20-2009, 08:27 AM
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Antropov
Ponikarovsky
Toskala

for

Ruutu
Larose
1st in 2009
2nd in 2010


Breakdown...

Antropov for the 1st in 09
Ponikarovsky for Ruutu
Toskala for Larose, 2nd in 2010
Like I said. We don't want toskala... like at all. Especially not for a high draft pick and Larose who we will try to resign unless he wants a crazy contract or something. We also want to resign Ruutu. He's worth more to us than Poni. Antropov for a 1st? Maybe but I think we'd rather package prospects and players than give up a 1st for a possible rental.

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01-20-2009, 08:44 AM
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Antropov
Ponikarovsky
Toskala

for

Ruutu
Larose
1st in 2009
2nd in 2010


Breakdown...

Antropov for the 1st in 09
Ponikarovsky for Ruutu
Toskala for Larose, 2nd in 2010


I would take this deal no problem then put pogge in the hot seat and see wut pans out

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01-20-2009, 10:49 AM
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I would take this deal no problem then put pogge in the hot seat and see wut pans out
You're also a Leafs fan.

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01-20-2009, 11:04 AM
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What do you think Toronto would ask back for Toskala and more importantly what do you think Carolina is willing to give up ???
Nothing. Toskala is the worst starting goalie in the league.

To Carolina: Toskala, 7th round pick
To Toronto: 7th round pick

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Nothing. Toskala is the worst starting goalie in the league.

To Carolina: Toskala, 7th round pick
To Toronto: 7th round pick
So you value Toskala at around LaBarbera's level? Come on. GM's know that he's playing on a young team that makes a lot of mistakes, and is playing poorly as a group right now. You can argue that he doesn't have much value to Carolina, but he'd have fair value to a lot of other teams.

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Antropov
Ponikarovsky
Toskala

for

Ruutu
Larose
1st in 2009
2nd in 2010


Breakdown...

Antropov for the 1st in 09
Ponikarovsky for Ruutu
Toskala for Larose, 2nd in 2010
Ugh, no, just no.

Antropov for a pick in the 14-20 range: I like Antropov but the pick probably has more value at the moment.
Ponikarovsky for Ruutu: Canes aren't trading Ruutu. Poni's nice, but not at that price.
Toskala for LaRose, 2nd: lol seriously?

brutal. The only one that remotely makes sense is Antropov for a first, and that's still overpayment by the Canes.


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01-20-2009, 11:32 AM
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Yeah, I realize there's not much there that most teams would want, but there are some pieces. So maybe something like this, either together or separately

To CAR:
Nik Antropov
Jason Blake

To TOR:
Matt Cullen
Patrick Eaves
Frank Kaberle (to play with his bro)
Scott Walker
Michael Leighton (backup Pogge, trade toskala elsewhere)
2nd round pick
mid prospect
That's a lot of salary going to Toronto, but I'm getting close to being ok with your proposal, but might need to work on the draft pick and who is the prospect. Thanks for taking Blake, but you are throwing $9 000 000 at the Leafs for next year, while taking our best 2 forwards. But it is saving the Leafs $4 000 000 cap hit for 2010-2012, so maybe.

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01-20-2009, 11:35 AM
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So you value Toskala at around LaBarbera's level? Come on. GM's know that he's playing on a young team that makes a lot of mistakes, and is playing poorly as a group right now. You can argue that he doesn't have much value to Carolina, but he'd have fair value to a lot of other teams.
He might be a better goalie... but not this year really and not a 4 million dollar price tag. It's not really a seller's market for goalie so I don't see how he could have much value right now. The only Leafs I could see the Canes having interest in are Antropov, Hagman (who i don't think is going anywhere) and take a chance on Blake (if salary is coming back the other way... and even then, probably not).

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That's a lot of salary going to Toronto, but I'm getting close to being ok with your proposal, but might need to work on the draft pick and who is the prospect. Thanks for taking Blake, but you are throwing $9 000 000 at the Leafs for next year, while taking our best 2 forwards. But it is saving the Leafs $4 000 000 cap hit for 2010-2012, so maybe.
Yeah I know what you mean, it is a mess of a proposal and needs tinkering but I think the premise might be ok. Leafs have decent cap space right? So in the short term they add some to their payroll (They also save money they would have had to pay Antropov), but most of those contracts are expiring next year so you save a couple of years on Blake's 4 million a year deal. I figure that way the leafs aren't handcuffed with his salary in 2-3 years when they might have a better team on the ice and they can take that 4 mil and spend it elsewhere.

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