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Shanahan vs. Sundin

View Poll Results: Who was better?
Shanahan was just plain better 77 56.20%
Sundin was just plain better 25 18.25%
Shanahan had a better career but lower peak 30 21.90%
Sundin had a better career but lower peak 11 8.03%
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01-19-2009, 11:38 PM
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Shanahan vs. Sundin

Poster made a sarcastic comment in the "Shanahan scores in first game back thread" that Shanny > Sundin . Got me wondering. Who had the better career/was the better hockey player. I'll make a bunch of options so we can get a good feel for it.

You can vote multiple options, so if you think Sundin had the better career but lower peak, but was overall better than vote those two options. If you think Shanny had the better career, lower peak but was overall better than vote those two options... or any combination of that.

I think this will be interesting.


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01-19-2009, 11:39 PM
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It's kind of pointless to ask who had the better career.

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01-19-2009, 11:40 PM
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Sundin. No doubt.

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Shanny. 650+ goals compared to Sundin's 557+. Won three Stanley cups to Sundin's obvious zero. Also just one of 5 players to be a member of the "Quad Gold Club"(Stanley cup, Olympic Gold, Canada Cup Gold, World Championship Gold). Although it's not completely fair to knock Sundin as he hasn't had anywhere close to the level of teammates that Shanny had in Detroit.

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Sundin has the roughly the same amount of points in 180 less games, but Shanahan has more goals and has won 3 cups. Shanahan.

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Sundin has the roughly the same amount of points in 180 less games, but Shanahan has more goals and has won 3 cups. Shanahan.
Points aren't everything though and while sundin was physical, Shanny is one of the best power forwards of his generation. So much clutch and grit to that guy. Don't see that on the stat sheet.

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01-19-2009, 11:52 PM
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Shanahan has had the more successful career, but part of that obviously has to do with playing for the Wings for so many years.

Shanny will likely finish the season 11th in all time games played, and has an outside shot at catching Robitaille for 10th all time in goals for.

Sundin in his prime probably a better hockey player, but he didn't have the opportunity to play on the best team of the past 15 years.

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Points aren't everything though and while sundin was physical, Shanny is one of the best power forwards of his generation. So much clutch and grit to that guy. Don't see that on the stat sheet.
Which is why I said Shanny.

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Although it's not completely fair to knock Sundin as he hasn't had anywhere close to the level of teammates that Shanny had in Detroit.
Not to mention, that of all of those teams, was he really the main guy that led his team to those Cups? Or was he a complementary guy? I think we all know the answer.

Especially, as you say, that Sundin never had the same kind of supporting cast. However, any success the Leafs have ever had over the past decade was based heavily on Mats' success.

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I think it's so close to equal I didn't vote...

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I think Shanahan is somewhat overrated as an offensive player. Him being the "missing piece" to the championship puzzle in Detroit certainly has merit, but I'm not entirely convinced he's the type of guy who could be the focal point of an offense to the extent that Sundin was. If you're building a team from scratch, I think Sundin is the pick.

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Shanny, not cuz he's better (which he was) but because he scored the last goal.

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Shanahan.

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Shanahan and he will also have a better 2nd half then Sundin

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likém both very much, and i dont vote

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Shanny. 650+ goals compared to Sundin's 557+. Won three Stanley cups to Sundin's obvious zero. Also just one of 5 players to be a member of the "Quad Gold Club"(Stanley cup, Olympic Gold, Canada Cup Gold, World Championship Gold). Although it's not completely fair to knock Sundin as he hasn't had anywhere close to the level of teammates that Shanny had in Detroit.
well canada cup is never a contest. It meant Canada shall win that. That wont count outside canada. that much i can say.

Sundin is a great leader and can score points,but shanahan is shanny.
Nah can´t decide. no vote

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Shanahan and he will also have a better 2nd half then Sundin
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Anyone who says Sundin

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Shanahan has had the more successful career, but part of that obviously has to do with playing for the Wings for so many years.
You realize he was scoring 50 goals a season before he joined the Wings, right. His individual stats probably went down due to being on the Wings, and he was exactly the type of player that put them over the top.

like someone else said he's one of the best, if not the best, power forwards of his generation, and he's a Champion at every level.

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01-20-2009, 11:30 AM
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Sundin will go down with more fanfare but I'd go to war with Shanny on my side. He was part of 3 championships in Detroit and was arguably the missing piece that the Wings had been without through their prior failures in the mid-90s. Both guys are great favorites of mine but I'd take Shanny in his prime and what he brings to a team from a leadership and toughness standpoint.

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Shanahan, and its not very close career wise.

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Shanahan is just plain better.

Peak? Probably:
93/94 - 52goals -102pts, 1st team all star on StL.

Career?
2 1st Team All Stars
Member of the Quad Gold Club
3 Stanley Cups
59G-131pts in 177 P/O GP
651G-1341pts in 1491GP

Those are some ridiculous stats.

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I think you could have added one more options

Better peak but worse career.

Sundin was the better player at his peak but Shanahan obviously had a better career

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