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02-03-2009, 01:42 AM
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"Ugly Coyote" - 2.3.09 - Nashville vs. Phoenix

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Previous Meetings:
December 18, 2008 - Phoenix 2 vs. Nashville 1 - Kyle Turris scored a pair of goals to propel the Coyotes over the Predators in their first meeting this season.






Nashville Predators (22-24-3, 47pts, 4th Central, 14th West)

About Nashville
Last Game: Nashville 2 @ Edmonton 1
Last Ten Games: 5-5-0
Home Record: 12-9-1
OT/Shootout Record: 5-3
Win/Loss Streak: WON 1
Goals For: 119
Goals Against: 141
Power Play: 14.3%, 28th
Home Power Play: 14.6%, 27th
Penalty Kill: 84.1%, 6th
Home Penalty Kill: 87.2%, 2nd

Nashville Team Leaders
Goals: Jason Arnott, 16
Asssits: Jean-Pierre Dumont, 26
Points: Dumont, 37 (11g+26a)
Power Play Goals: Arnott/Shea Weber, 6
Power Play Scoring:
Short-Handed Goals: David Legwand, 2
Short-Handed Scoring: Legwand, 3 (2g+1a)
Shots: Weber, 149
Shooting Percentage: Martin Erat, 14.0%
Plus-Minus: Weber, +7
Penalty Minutes: Jordin Tootoo, 90
Hits: Weber, 111
Blocked Shots: Greg Zanon, 142
Giveaways: Dumont, 34
Takeaways: Dan Hamhuis, 37
Turnover Differential: Joel Ward, +21
Faceoffs Won: Radek Bonk, 316-202
Faceoff Percentage: Bonk, 61.0%
Time On Ice: Ryan Suter, 23:45
Wins: Pekka Rinne, 12-8-0
Minutes Played: Dan Ellis, 1664
Goals Against Average: Rinne, 2.33
Save Percentage: Rinne, .917
Shutouts: Rinne, 4

Nashville Fun Fact: The Predators have scored a third-period goal in seven straight games, 9 in total during that span.

Nashville Player to Watch: Winger Martin Erat has 10 points (4g+6a) in his last 10 games and 17 (8g+9a) in 22 career games against Phoenix.

Nashville Reason to Worry:
The Predators will be without tough guys Wade Belak and Jordin Tootoo tonight, leaving Daniel Carcillo free to wreak havoc on the ice.

Nashville Injury Report
Wade Belak (Shoulder, Out
Jordin Tootoo (Hand, Out)
Alexander Sulzer (Shoulder, Out)
Greg De Vries (Concussion, Probable)
Scott Nichol (Concussion, Out)

Nashville Projected Lineup
Sullivan-Arnott-Dumont
Jones-Legwand-Erat
Ward-Bonk-Smithson
Hörnqvist-Fiddler-Pihlström

Weber-Suter
Hamhuis-Zanon
De Vries-Klein

Rinne





Phoenix Coyotes (24-22-5, 53pts, 4th Pacific, 10th West)

About Phoenix
Last Game: Buffalo 2 @ Phoenix 0
Last Ten Games: 5-5-0
Away Record: 8-14-3
OT/Shootout Record:
Win/Loss Streak: LOST 3
Goals For: 129
Goals Against: 150
Power Play: 13.1%, 29th
Away Power Play: 14.4%, 22nd
Penalty Kill: 80.5%, 19th
Away Penalty Kill: 81.5%, 13th

Phoenix Team Leaders
Goals: Shane Doan, 20
Asssits: Doan, 28
Points: Doan, 48 (20g+28a)
Power Play Goals: Doan, 7
Power Play Scoring:
Short-Handed Goals: Martin Hanzal, 2
Short-Handed Scoring:
Shots: Olli Jokinen/Ed Jovanovski, 134
Shooting Percentage: Steven Reinprecht, 15.8%
Plus-Minus: Reinprecht, +9
Penalty Minutes: Daniel Carcillo, 146
Hits: Doan, 134
Blocked Shots: Zbynek Michalek, 175
Giveaways: Jokinen, 25
Takeaways: Doan, 37
Turnover Differential: Mikkel Boedker, +27
Faceoffs Won: Martin Hanzal, 381-416
Faceoff Percentage: Hanzal, 47.8%
Time On Ice: Michalek, 23:08
Wins: Ilja Bryzgalov, 18-18-4
Minutes Played: Bryzgalov, 2412
Goals Against Average: Mikael Tellqvist, 2.75
Save Percentage: Tellqvist, .913
Shutouts: Bryzgalov, 2

Phoenix Fun Fact: The Coyotes haven't scored a goal in 142:36.

Phoenix Player to Watch: Center Olli Jokinen has 12 points (3g+9a) in 13 career games against Nashville.

Phoenix Reason to Worry: The Coyotes have gone 1 for their last 21 power play attempts.

Phoenix Injury Report

Viktor Tikhonov (Hand, Doubtful)
Kurt Sauer (Foot, Out)
Peter Mueller (Concussion, Out)
Steven Reinprecht (Shoulder, Out)

Phoenix Projected Lineup
Doan-Perrault-Lindström
Winnik-Jokinen-Lisin
Fedoruk-Hanzal-Boedker
Carcillo-Turris-Goertzen

Jovanovski-Morris
Hale-Michalek
Klee-Yandle

Bryzgalov


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If we cant win this game, we dont deserve the playoffs.

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I never know what to predict with this team......I do think we can probably only count on 1-2 goals.

Jones/Legwand/Weber for the Preds

Doan, Jokinen, Mueler for the Yotes

4-3 OT/SO win for Phoenix. Mueller with the winning shootout goal.

Please prove me wrong Nashville!

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If we cant win this game, we dont deserve the playoffs.
this isn't the same Phoenix team we're used to. They've improved a LOT. That being said, this is pretty much a must win game.

We could really use a miracle in Hornqvist right about now.

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I never know what to predict with this team......I do think we can probably only count on 1-2 goals.

Jones/Legwand/Weber for the Preds

Doan, Jokinen, Mueler for the Yotes

4-3 OT/SO win for Phoenix. Mueller with the winning shootout goal.

Please prove me wrong Nashville!
Ok, Mueller isn't playing so I just proved your prediction wrong.

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this isn't the same Phoenix team we're used to. They've improved a LOT. That being said, this is pretty much a must win game.

We could really use a miracle in Hornqvist right about now.
true, but they have lost 3 straight, 2 of those by shut out. You never bet against a streak!

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Ok, Mueller isn't playing so I just proved your prediction wrong.


Alright then! Preds win 3-2!

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Must-win for both sides, I think. Problem is, we're missing two of our best d-men in Morris and Sauer, and since with Hale on the ice it's always a 6 on 4 for the opposition you should have plenty of opportunities to score.

Good luck to you guys - I'm a fan of "underdog" teams so if the Coyotes don't end up in the playoffs, I hope you guys do and stick it to those ******** who want your team to move.

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I never know what to predict with this team......I do think we can probably only count on 1-2 goals.

Jones/Legwand/Weber for the Preds

Doan, Jokinen, Mueler for the Yotes

4-3 OT/SO win for Phoenix. Mueller with the winning shootout goal.

Please prove me wrong Nashville!
come on first Muller has to be in the line up, sure wish he were, we need him already

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Must-win for both sides, I think. Problem is, we're missing two of our best d-men in Morris and Sauer, and since with Hale on the ice it's always a 6 on 4 for the opposition you should have plenty of opportunities to score.

Good luck to you guys - I'm a fan of "underdog" teams so if the Coyotes don't end up in the playoffs, I hope you guys do and stick it to those ******** who want your team to move.
well usually when the Preds try to score 6 on 4 they end up with a goal in their empty net, should be a great game. Coyotes with a lesser defence tonight, Preds with a lesser offense every night!

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I was surprised when I looked it up and we actually have a better PP that the coyotes.

28. Preds
29. Phoniex
30. C-bus

I wouldv'e thought with all their talent they would have a better PP than that.

The coyotes forwards prospect base is absoutely stunning. Just imagine if they still had Wheeler. Truely sick stuff. I am very envious of their future and hopefully they can get all their ownership problems worked out.

Anyways I'm going to play the role of optimist today for one and say 3-2 Preds.

Preds: Arnott,Jones,Sully

Coyotes: Jokiken, Hanzal

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I was surprised when I looked it up and we actually have a better PP that the coyotes.

28. Preds
29. Phoniex
30. C-bus

I wouldv'e thought with all their talent they would have a better PP than that.
So would we...

We've gotten to the point that when the other team gets a penalty we would almost rather wave it off and decline it a la the NFL...

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We've gotten to the point that when the other team gets a penalty we would almost rather wave it off and decline it a la the NFL...
Heh, we've only been there for a good two years now.

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Goal: Arnott... assist: Hale...

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Rinne was incredible once again.

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Couple of thoughts as the horn sounds on a win:
1) Really like the way Jones is playing now. The polish will come, I think, in time. He plays well on the boards, pursues the puck, and plays with desperation.
2) Hard to believe today that anyone ever thought VK was better than Klein. KK is still a work in progress, but he makes a couple of really good plays every game it seems and is limiting his 'rookie' mistakes much better now. Very strong on his skates, does not take himself out of the play, etc.
3) Right now with the way he is playing and the team plays in front of him, if you can put up 3 goals for Pekka Rinne you have a good chance of getting points.
4) Can we bury the 'Sully saved the powerplay' storyline now? It is still pretty awful, and one bad tendancy Sully seems to encourage is getting too fancy with passes when you have a high percentage shot to take. Throw it at the net in a quick wrister with at least one guy screening and another charging at the net on an angle for a rebound. Come on, if I can see it and I never laced a skate of my own, surely the pros can get it!

Still not where I had hoped this team would be at this stage, but getting better. Choppy play especially in the late 2nd and 3rd. But denying PHX a point and taking them both is good.

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Couple of thoughts as the horn sounds on a win:
1) Really like the way Jones is playing now. The polish will come, I think, in time. He plays well on the boards, pursues the puck, and plays with desperation.
Thats one thing I loved about Jones at Milwaukee, even when we were being routed 5-0 against San Antonio a couple wks ago, Ryan still hustled every shift.

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Couple of thoughts as the horn sounds on a win:
1) Really like the way Jones is playing now. The polish will come, I think, in time. He plays well on the boards, pursues the puck, and plays with desperation.

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4) Can we bury the 'Sully saved the powerplay' storyline now? It is still pretty awful, and one bad tendancy Sully seems to encourage is getting too fancy with passes when you have a high percentage shot to take. Throw it at the net in a quick wrister with at least one guy screening and another charging at the net on an angle for a rebound. Come on, if I can see it and I never laced a skate of my own, surely the pros can get it!
Ryan Jones played really well. He really threw his body around, especially that one time he dove and took a swipe at the puck that was headed out of the zone and he kept it in (even though it went out right after since every other Pred had left the zone) and he made some great shot blocks.

Both teams' PP's were just awful. Oh they had their moments, but it was the PK night to shine. When they were in Vancouver they made a big deal about how they started shooting more and went away from using so many set plays. Now it seems like they've gone back to trying to make the fancy pass/play. Every time a player has about 2 feet of room, he has to take a huge windup for a slapshot and by the time they are ready to shoot, the other teams players have closed in for a block (and not just on the PP either). Just a simple wrist shot sometimes works better than a slapshot.

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Rinne was great again. But I thought that goal was just a little weak.

Zanon had a rough night. Beat up by Carcillo, then Jovanovski just suckered him right in the jaw.

Good night for Bonk, that was a very pretty goal.

Good win!

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Rinne with one of the best 4-5 game stretches of a goaltender in our history. He is playing outstanding. I now firmly believe Ellis is on the block, and I expect him to be traded at the deadline for a forward or at the draft of a pick.

We continue to win games 2-1. Our scoring is still a major concern, and a large reason for that is our ineffective powerplay. Teams are not afraid of our powerplay, and are willing to take a penalty to prevent us from scoring more readily than they would against a team like Detroit. I was afraid that Trotz would see the 3 ppg against Vancouver and attribute it to Sullivan being on the point with Suter. Unfortunately, Sullivan has been totally ineffective at the point. The lone goal scored by this unit was off a rush into the zone and really had nothing to do with Sullivans insertion at the point. I simply never understood sticking him there to begin with.....he doesn't have a shot right now to be effective out near the blueline, he can't really fight for the puck along the boards, he isn't very good at keeping the puck in.....really he is at his best down low making cross-ice passes or using his speed/stick-handling to keep the play alive in tight. Weber on the second powerplay unit is a travesty. The only plus I see from this debacle is that Hamhuis has really picked up his offensive game. Aside from the terrible giveaway in the waning seconds of the game, Dan has played his best hockey of the year since the break.

I think Trotz believes he has three potential choices for his powerplay lines:

1) He can take Bonk off the powerplay, slide Arnott to center, and let Sullivan - Arnott - Dumont be the forwards with Suter/Weber as the number 1 unit.
2) He could take out Erat, and slide Sully in on the second unit with Klein/Hammer at the points and Weber heading back to the first unit.
3) He can simply take Sullivan off the powerplay or move him to the point of the second unit with Hammer.

I personally would just take Bonk off the powerplay. He goes to the net, but he simply doesn't have the hands to be really effective there. The face off percentage increase is only 1 more win per 10 faceoffs in comparison to Arnott.....who cares. In Bonk's favor, he does have 4 ppg on the season with 2 coming since Jan. 13 (the others in mid-December and early October). Still.......this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of a net guy. He isn't a playmaker, and he isn't a scorer. He is the proverbial square peg being forced into the round hole IMO. With that said, Bonk has been playing great even strength hockey of late. His pk work has been very good as well. He single-handedly saved last night's game from going into OT with that blocked pass at the end of the game with Rinne out of net.

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I now firmly believe Ellis is on the block, and I expect him to be traded at the deadline for a forward or at the draft of a pick.
Do you really think Ellis will be moved? He's only scheduled to make $2 mil next year. $2.725 seems like a bargain to pay a goaltending tandem with him and Rinne under contract through next year.

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Do you really think Ellis will be moved? He's only scheduled to make $2 mil next year. $2.725 seems like a bargain to pay a goaltending tandem with him and Rinne under contract through next year.
Sometimes risks have to be taken. I think the backup issue could be solved relatively easy. Poile could simply take back the backup goalie of the team he trade's Ellis too.

For the record: I love Ellis's contract. I think he is well worth it, and I am fully in support of keeping him until his contract expires. With that said, I think he will be on the block if Rinne continues to play the way he has. Lets face it, the organization has been in love with Rinne for years. Now that he seems to have put it together, I think there is no turning back. 4 straight starts after the all-star break.......it speaks volumes about how much Trotz loves Rinne (and as I mentioned above, he has said as much for years).

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Kinda sucked that we had what I thought was by far the worst crowd of the year after the article about making money came out in yesterday's paper. A little dishearting but what can you do?


IF we win Thursday you can look at the standings and start thinking about What IF? scenarios again.

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Sometimes risks have to be taken. I think the backup issue could be solved relatively easy. Poile could simply take back the backup goalie of the team he trade's Ellis too.

For the record: I love Ellis's contract. I think he is well worth it, and I am fully in support of keeping him until his contract expires. With that said, I think he will be on the block if Rinne continues to play the way he has. Lets face it, the organization has been in love with Rinne for years. Now that he seems to have put it together, I think there is no turning back. 4 straight starts after the all-star break.......it speaks volumes about how much Trotz loves Rinne (and as I mentioned above, he has said as much for years).
Agree. Agree. Agree. Ellis has maximum value at this upcoming trade deadline. Take the risk, get a short term solution as backup and try to find another diamond in the rough in the offseason. Vokoun, Mason, Ellis suggests we have a decent eye for unheralded backups. That is potentially 1-1.5M that can be plowed into someone else next year and, more importantly, Ellis could be part of a package that gets us some scoring help.

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