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Team Canada 2010: Boyle, Green, or Burns?

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Boyle 78 44.07%
Green 64 36.16%
Burns 35 19.77%
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01-21-2009, 01:49 PM
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boyle

i would have picked burns if lemaire wasnt jerking him around

and why is phaneuf a lock?

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01-21-2009, 02:34 PM
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boyle

i would have picked burns if lemaire wasnt jerking him around

and why is phaneuf a lock?
I don't really get Phaneuf being a lock either, unless we're talking about hyped players.

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01-21-2009, 03:01 PM
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Phaneuf is a lock because he brings the most offense from the blueline. He also plays a very physical game (small ice). You could argue that Boyle or Green are better offensively and maybe they are. Boyle is definitely better defensively, but having Phaneuf's physicality is also really nice.

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01-21-2009, 03:05 PM
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Green is much better than Boyle defensively.

Boyle is still a bit of a disaster in his own end, while Green is excellent back there.

I'm not sure this one is really close - Green may well be the best all-around defenseman in hockey at the moment.

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01-21-2009, 03:07 PM
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I don't really get Phaneuf being a lock either, unless we're talking about hyped players.
Opting for guys like Niedermayer, Boyle, or Green does give Canada great pointmen on the PP, excellent skating and puck movement, but a smaller physical presence. Having at least 3 big checking dmen (Phaneuf, Pronger, Regehr, Weber) would be very valuable given the tourny is played on an NHL sized rink.

Phaneuf is a monster hitter, has a cannon for the PP, and has good (not great) skating ability, a total package. I remember Canada`s toughness was a big part of their win at the last World Cup which was played on an NHL rink.

Personally, Id much rather go with the total package hoping Canada can bruise their way to victory.

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01-21-2009, 03:20 PM
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M.Green: 23 years, 6'1", 208lbs, #29 '04
D.Boyle: 32 years, 5'11", 190lbs, Undrafted
B.Burns: 23 years, 6'4", 207lbs, #20 '03


2008-09

M.Green: 35gm, 12gl, 33pt, +17, 33ht, 57bk, 25:39 (82gm, 28gl, 77pt, +40, 77ht, 134bk)
D.Boyle: 44gm, 13gl, 38pt, +12, 25ht, 55bk, 24:07 (82gm, 24gl, 71pt, +22, 47ht, 103bk)
B.Burns: 42gm, 7gl, 19pt, -11, 48ht, 32bk, 22:22 (82gm, 14gl, 37pt, -22, 94ht, 63bk)


Green really has the whole package. He's big and strong, he's a phenomenal skater, is as skilled as any defenseman in the league, and is gritty as hell - he loves to mix it up physically, and sacrifices his body to block shots as well.

The kid is amazing, and he's only getting better.

He may just well finish this season leading the league in goals, points, and +/- for all defensemen - even though he missed 12 games to injury.

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01-21-2009, 03:25 PM
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Opting for guys like Niedermayer, Boyle, or Green does give Canada great pointmen on the PP, excellent skating and puck movement, but a smaller physical presence. Having at least 3 big checking dmen (Phaneuf, Pronger, Regehr, Weber) would be very valuable given the tourny is played on an NHL sized rink.

Phaneuf is a monster hitter, has a cannon for the PP, and has good (not great) skating ability, a total package. I remember Canada`s toughness was a big part of their win at the last World Cup which was played on an NHL rink.

Personally, Id much rather go with the total package hoping Canada can bruise their way to victory.
Regehr should not even be in th equation. Phaneuf, pronger and Weber offer size, decent defensive ability AND scoring ability. Regehr does not approach them offensively.

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Green is much better than Boyle defensively.

Boyle is still a bit of a disaster in his own end, while Green is excellent back there.

I'm not sure this one is really close - Green may well be the best all-around defenseman in hockey at the moment.
If Grren is better than Boyle offensively it is only a slight difference. Boyle is superior to Green offensively. Advantage - Boyle.

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M.Green: 23 years, 6'1", 208lbs, #29 '04
D.Boyle: 32 years, 5'11", 190lbs, Undrafted
B.Burns: 23 years, 6'4", 207lbs, #20 '03


2008-09

M.Green: 35gm, 12gl, 33pt, +17, 33ht, 57bk, 25:39 (82gm, 28gl, 77pt, +40, 77ht, 134bk)
D.Boyle: 44gm, 13gl, 38pt, +12, 25ht, 55bk, 24:07 (82gm, 24gl, 71pt, +22, 47ht, 103bk)
B.Burns: 42gm, 7gl, 19pt, -11, 48ht, 32bk, 22:22 (82gm, 14gl, 37pt, -22, 94ht, 63bk)


Green really has the whole package. He's big and strong, he's a phenomenal skater, is as skilled as any defenseman in the league, and is gritty as hell - he loves to mix it up physically, and sacrifices his body to block shots as well.

The kid is amazing, and he's only getting better.

He may just well finish this season leading the league in goals, points, and +/- for all defensemen - even though he missed 12 games to injury.
I have the impression that he, like Boyle, have a higher +/- due more to the fact that they both play on highly offensive teams, as opposed to their actual defensive ability. As surprisingly low as Burns`s +/- is this year, hes still the probably the best defensively of the 3.

Your +/- wont go up if your team cant score. Boyle was almost a -29 just last year, and Green was -10 two years ago when they both their teams sucked respectively.

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Chara should be on this list.

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Regehr should not even be in th equation. Phaneuf, pronger and Weber offer size, decent defensive ability AND scoring ability. Regehr does not approach them offensively.
Obviously not, but you dont need 6 offensive defencemen. Regehr is arguably one of the best defensive dmen and hitters in the league. You dont think he`d be valuable playing against lines such as:

Ovechkin-Datsyuk-Semin
Kovalchuk-Malkin-Zherdev
Alfredsson-Zetterberg-Sedin
Hossa-Demitra-Gaborik
Parise-Stastny-Kane
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Cus I sure as hell wouldnt want Boyle-Green against them.

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Pronger - Bouwmeester
Phaneuf - Weber
Regehr - Boyle/Green

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That looks about right. I think Boyle gets in, if anything because of experience.

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01-21-2009, 04:33 PM
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I guarantee regehr makes the team

and boyle is no where near being a disaster in his own end

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As much as I love Green, I have to go with Boyle just because of experience. That could change in 1 year too if Green and the Caps could win the cup this year.

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Boyle because of his experience. How does Burns get into this poll?

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Green is much better than Boyle defensively.

Boyle is still a bit of a disaster in his own end, while Green is excellent back there.

I'm not sure this one is really close - Green may well be the best all-around defenseman in hockey at the moment.


This just proves your a stat ***** and dont actually watch hockey. There is no way at this point that Mike Green is even "better" defensively then Boyle. Green regularly coughs up the puck when trying to do too much, gives the puck over alot more easy when being pressured. I bet you somehow looked at there career +/- and came to this conclusion.

LOL at "Mike Green might be the best all around defensemen in hockey at the moment"

Nick Lidstrom
Shea Weber
Zdeno Chara

^^All 3 of those guys are easily better all around defencemen then Green at the moment.

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I guarantee regehr makes the team

and boyle is no where near being a disaster in his own end
Zeke doesnt watch actual games he just looks at the stat sheet at the end of the night.

He just said Mike Green is the best all around defender in the league today. He also said Mike Green is excellant in his own end HAHA.

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Opting for guys like Niedermayer, Boyle, or Green does give Canada great pointmen on the PP, excellent skating and puck movement, but a smaller physical presence. Having at least 3 big checking dmen (Phaneuf, Pronger, Regehr, Weber) would be very valuable given the tourny is played on an NHL sized rink.

Phaneuf is a monster hitter, has a cannon for the PP, and has good (not great) skating ability, a total package. I remember Canada`s toughness was a big part of their win at the last World Cup which was played on an NHL rink.

Personally, Id much rather go with the total package hoping Canada can bruise their way to victory.
I don't know. It sounds like you're sacrificing a bit just for that toughness. I'm not Canadian, but I've always felt that Canada's greatest strength is the dynamic ability, and depth, of their defensemen. To me, it's always been their blue line that helped really separate them from every other country. To put so much emphasis towards bigger and more physical defensemen seems to take some of that strength away.

With the right coaching and combinations, however, why can't you get both?

I agree completely that a line of Boyle/Green is kind of scary to look at, when you consider who they might be defending against. Niedermayer is a bit different. I know this is coming from a big fan of his, but Anaheim has used him in a shutdown role since the lockout with great success. Canada could use him pretty much in any role. For the sake of our discussion we'll exclude him for the moment.

With Boyle and Green - They can bring such a dynamic (I like that word) element to the PP, and their puck-moving abilities can be a godsend for Canada. Get them out there on the PP, paired with one of the big boys, like Pronger or Phaneuf. Try to keep them away from the first line of the opposing team at even strength, and keep them away from the PK as much as you can.

You have the option to use the abilities Green or Boyle can bring you, but without too much downside. Throw one of them on the roster and just pay attention to how you use them.

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Boyle is the most experienced, hardest working, best offensively (by a hair) and best defensively of the three.

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M.Green: 23 years, 6'1", 208lbs, #29 '04
D.Boyle: 32 years, 5'11", 190lbs, Undrafted
B.Burns: 23 years, 6'4", 207lbs, #20 '03


2008-09

M.Green: 35gm, 12gl, 33pt, +17, 33ht, 57bk, 25:39 (82gm, 28gl, 77pt, +40, 77ht, 134bk)
D.Boyle: 44gm, 13gl, 38pt, +12, 25ht, 55bk, 24:07 (82gm, 24gl, 71pt, +22, 47ht, 103bk)
B.Burns: 42gm, 7gl, 19pt, -11, 48ht, 32bk, 22:22 (82gm, 14gl, 37pt, -22, 94ht, 63bk)


Green really has the whole package. He's big and strong, he's a phenomenal skater, is as skilled as any defenseman in the league, and is gritty as hell - he loves to mix it up physically, and sacrifices his body to block shots as well.

The kid is amazing, and he's only getting better.

He may just well finish this season leading the league in goals, points, and +/- for all defensemen - even though he missed 12 games to injury.
lol, zeke. You seemed to miss one stat..and it's one stat that will really hurt your "best all-around defenseman" argument. It's giveaways.

Mike Green: 54 Giveaways (82 Game Pace: 127 Giveaways)
Dan Boyle: 32 Giveaways (82 Game Pace: 60 Giveaways)
Brent Burns: 37 Giveaways (82 Game Pace: 72 Giveaways)

Im taking Boyle on this one. Doesn't turn the puck over as much and still provides the offence needed in a PP/Offensive Specialist.

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I'd say Burns. He has size, offensive skill and defensive skill.
I agree, although it's hard to say for sure without knowing who else is on the team.

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Boyle is the most experienced, hardest working, best offensively (by a hair) and best defensively of the three.
I personally think it's very hard to say Boyle is better than Burns defensively...

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Boyle because of his experience. How does Burns get into this poll?
Give a good reason why he shouldn't be?

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