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02-04-2009, 12:36 PM
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Last season top 10 goalies based off of games played:

1 Evgeni Nabokov SJS 77
2 Martin Brodeur NJD 77

3 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 76
4 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 72
5 Cam Ward CAR 69
6 Ryan Miller BUF 76

7 Jean-Sebastien Giguere ANA 58
8 Roberto Luongo VAN 73
9 Niklas Backstrom MIN 58
10 Manny Legace STL 66


Bolded are the teams that made playoffs
Italicized are teams that barely miss.

This is out of a 82 game season. Why wouldnt our #1 be able to do this?
It didn't quite work out for these teams in the playoffs:

1 Evgeni Nabokov SJS 77 - lost in the second round (beat CGY)
2 Martin Brodeur NJD 77 - lost in the first round
3 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 76 - lost in the first round
4 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 72- lost in the second round (beat NJ)
7 Jean-Sebastien Giguere ANA 58 - lost in the first round
9 Niklas Backstrom MIN 58 - lost in the first round

The list above is also top 10 goalies based on wins. Biron played more games last season the Giguere and Backstrom actually. If you look at the list of top games played, of teams that made it to the conference finals, two goalies played 62 games (Biron, Turco, tied for 12th overall in games played among goalies), one played 43 games (Osgood) and one played 35 (Fluery in his injury riddled season).

I don't think you want a goalie playing much more then 60 games a season if you want to have them playing at a high level in the playoffs.


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02-04-2009, 01:43 PM
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Nabby did improve in the playoffs but Broduer went from a 2.17 GAA and .920 s% in the regular season to 3.19 and .891 in the playoffs. Kiprusoff also got worse, not as drastic though.

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02-04-2009, 02:21 PM
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It didn't quite work out for these teams in the playoffs:

1 Evgeni Nabokov SJS 77 - lost in the second round (beat CGY)
2 Martin Brodeur NJD 77 - lost in the first round
3 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 76 - lost in the first round
4 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 72- lost in the second round (beat NJ)
7 Jean-Sebastien Giguere ANA 58 - lost in the first round
9 Niklas Backstrom MIN 58 - lost in the first round

The list above is also top 10 goalies based on wins. Biron played more games last season the Giguere and Backstrom actually. If you look at the list of top games played, of teams that made it to the conference finals, two goalies played 62 games (Biron, Turco, tied for 12th overall in games played among goalies), one played 43 games (Osgood) and one played 35 (Fluery in his injury riddled season).

I don't think you want a goalie playing much more then 60 games a season if you want to have them playing at a high level in the playoffs.
I guess it comes down to this

Do you want:

A) 1.A goalie + 2.A

Or

b) 1.B + 1.C


I just think something needs to change thats all. Do I hate Marty? Not at all, not in the slightest. Do I think he's pretty good and did one hell of a job last playoffs? Absolutely. I hope people arent suspecting I hate Marty, cause I really dont. I just think in order for us to get a cup, we need a strong, 1.A goalie. We have not won the cup in awhile and its depressing. People can knock on Broduer but yet he as multiple cups under his belt, something none of our players have (Im pretty sure we dont any players like that)

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02-04-2009, 03:18 PM
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I guess it comes down to this

Do you want:

A) 1.A goalie + 2.A

Or

b) 1.B + 1.C
Of course I would love a star goalie on the Flyers, but in reality, they are not really any available.

Here is basically a list of the starters in the league with # games they have played (including both goalies for teams that go with a tandem):

Miikka Kiprusoff, Cgy: 47
Marty Turco, Dal: 46
Vesa Toskala, Tor: 44
Henrik Lundqvist, NYR: 43
Ilya Bryzgalov, Pho: 43
Niklas Backstrom, Min: 42
Ryan Miller, Buf: 42
Mike Smith, TB: 41
Cam Ward, Car: 40
Peter Budaj, Col: 38
Joey MacDonald, NYI: 37
Evgeni Nabokov, SJ: 37
Tomas Vokoun, Fla: 35
Steve Mason, Cls: 34
Marc-Andre Fleury, Pit: 34
Scott Clemmensen, NJ: 34
Dwayne Roloson, Edm: 33
Jose Theodore, Was: 33
Carey Price, Mon: 32
Tim Thomas, Bos: 32
Jean-Sebastien Giguere, Anh: 31
Martin Biron, Phi: 30
Dan Ellis, Nsh: 30
Manny Legace, StL: 29
Jonas Hiller, Anh: 28
Kari Lehtonen, Atl: 27
Alex Auld, Ott: 27
Chris Osgood, Det: 27
Nikolai Khabibulin, Chi: 26
Jason LaBarbera, Van: 25
Ty Conklin, Det: 25
Roberto Luongo, Van: 25
Pekka Rinne, Nsh: 25
Cristobal Huet, Chi: 25
Chris Mason, StL: 25

Bolded are goalies I think would be an upgrade over Biron (also would add Brodeur, and possibly Dipetrio). Of that list, the only one I could see possibly being moved would be Giggy, just because it seems Hillier has played well. Or if they go with Giggy, they may move Hillier

I doubt Minny will move Backstrom (otherwise they would be giving Harding more starts). And I doubt they will move Harding until they get Backstrom signed.

So the options I can see to improve our goaltending would be:

1)Trade for Giggy (and his 6 million/year salary), however I can't see the Ducks moving him plus he will cost significant assets.

2)Trade for Hillier - but would he really be much of an upgrade of Biron?

3)Trade for Harding - again, would he be much of an upgrade over Biron?

4)Wait until the offseason and try to sign either Backstrom or Thomas (however I see both re-signing with their clubs, plus if they do go UFA, they will likely cost a lot)

5)Trade for a younger goalie stuck behind a starter and hope he can develop into a premier starter (ie Pavelec, or go for a more proven but injury prone Leclaire. Harding fits in this category as well)

6) Trade for a prospect goalie and hope he develops into a premier starter (ie Schneider) - usually are hard to pry away from teams though

7) Draft a goalie(s) (ie Olivier Roy), stick with Biron until they hopefully develop into a good goalie.

Of all those options, the only one I could possibly see happening is #7, but given the Flyers seeming reluctance to spend high picks on goalies (which is valid given the crapshoot that is developing goalies, plus their poor record at doing so) it won't likely occur. #6 (trading for a goalie prospect) could occur, mainly Schneider if Luongo re-signs long term, however that won't be an upgrade for a couple more seasons.

So basically to summarize a long-winded post, I don't think there really is much viable options to improve the goaltending situation (which I do think is on the level of "good enough")

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02-04-2009, 03:22 PM
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^ Good Post.

I agree with that i dont think any of the FA goalies are too much of an improvement over Biron. Personally, I would like to see them trade for a prospect. I would prefer Enroth over Schneider, but both would probably take a good amount to get, possibily TOO much. If thats the case then we HAVE to draft a legitimate goalie prospect. I want a first or second round goalie that our hopes can be put into.

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02-04-2009, 03:34 PM
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Hey Ill be all up for getting a legit goalie prospect. Put him behind Biron or Nitty, and get him some playing time, would be great. Also I agree with Fio on very nice post...

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Holmgren will sign Biron.
Why? I dont know.

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Holmgren will sign Biron.
Why? I dont know.
Why? Because he is cheaper then other FA goalies. He likes the team, and there is not much better available anyway.

Thats why.

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hey guys sorry to intrude, im a stars fan and someone posted a link in a thread like this one that there are rumors in philly about somehow possibly picking up sean avery. i was just wondering if any of you had heard anything about this

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hey guys sorry to intrude, im a stars fan and someone posted a link in a thread like this one that there are rumors in philly about somehow possibly picking up sean avery. i was just wondering if any of you had heard anything about this
We have heard and WE HATE THE IDEA.

**** Avery.

I thought we got that **** out of this division.

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We have heard and WE HATE THE IDEA.

**** Avery.

I thought we got that **** out of this division.
i dont blame you

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Holmgren will sign Biron.
Why? I dont know.
Because the only other option that would actually improve our goalie situation would involve trading Carter. To get a top notch goalie it's going to cost you Carter, is that something you really want to do??? Not only is that the kind of talent we'd have to dangle to get serious offers it's also the amount of salary we'd have to free up in order to get one. Pick your poison.

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Because the only other option that would actually improve our goalie situation would involve trading Carter. To get a top notch goalie it's going to cost you Carter, is that something you really want to do??? Not only is that the kind of talent we'd have to dangle to get serious offers it's also the amount of salary we'd have to free up in order to get one. Pick your poison.
What we need to do is dump Briere in the offseason and sign Luongo

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We have heard and WE HATE THE IDEA.

**** Avery.

I thought we got that **** out of this division.
avery - richards - hartnell (that's a nasty line to play against)
knuble - carter - lupul
gagne - briere - upshall
giroux - powe - asham

waive metro

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avery - richards - hartnell (that's a nasty line to play against)
No! No! No! Abso****inglutely not. I do not want Avery anywhere near my team ever.

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avery - richards - hartnell (that's a nasty line to play against)
knuble - carter - lupul
gagne - briere - upshall
giroux - powe - asham

waive metro
And we just throw Giroux's development out the window...

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hey guys sorry to intrude, im a stars fan and someone posted a link in a thread like this one that there are rumors in philly about somehow possibly picking up sean avery. i was just wondering if any of you had heard anything about this
It started on the Rags board.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...3#post17716403

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Last season top 10 goalies based off of games played:

1 Evgeni Nabokov SJS 77
2 Martin Brodeur NJD 77

3 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 76
4 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 72
5 Cam Ward CAR 69
6 Ryan Miller BUF 76

7 Jean-Sebastien Giguere ANA 58
8 Roberto Luongo VAN 73
9 Niklas Backstrom MIN 58
10 Manny Legace STL 66


Bolded are the teams that made playoffs
Italicized are teams that barely miss.

This is out of a 82 game season. Why wouldnt our #1 be able to do this?
He really shouldn't have to. Look at how many games Chris Osgood and Cam Ward played. They didn't even start the playoffs as their team's #1 goalie. And Jester touched on this too...the goalies get burned out, some of them flat out lose focus, Brodeur being the prime example. I don't want our goalie to have to play 70 games, that just tell me that the team relies too much on the goalie, and that is not conducive for consistent playoff success anymore.

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Why? Because he is cheaper then other FA goalies. He likes the team, and there is not much better available anyway.

Thats why.
then why not Nitty who will be cheaper and is just as good

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Sean Avery?
really?
if this happens, I seriously hope someone *****slaps Holmer.

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I got the distinct impression from Bob Clarke's appearance on Off the Record today that the Flyers have no interest in Sean Avery. He even rejected the notion of acquiring Avery if he was on a one year deal at $1 Million.

He did make an off the cuff remark that JBo was most attractive potential deadline acquisition, though.

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If we land Jaybo I will jump for joy. As long that it is a good deal. Not coasting us Giroux or JVR. Or any untouchables.

Edit: I'm still on the fence with JVR.


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If we land Jaybo I will jump for joy. As long that it is a good deal. Not coasting us Giroux or JVR. Or any untouchables.
for an extended Bouwmeester I'd trade JVR in half a second

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I really want to see a Lupul, Carle, Nodl, 1st trade go down. I think its pretty damn fair for the circumstances that Florida is in. Jones would probably have to be dropped for a pick somehow, or atleast next year. Then we would look like.

Timonen - Coburn
Bouwmeester - Parent
Vaananen - Alberts

God that would be sick-nasty

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for an extended Bouwmeester I'd trade JVR in half a second

so would I.

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