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Do You Like The 1 Point OT/SO System?

View Poll Results: Do you like the fact teams get 1 point for an OT/SO Loss?
Yes 13 30.95%
No 29 69.05%
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01-22-2009, 11:11 AM
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Do You Like The 1 Point OT/SO System?

My opinion, I hate it. Out of all my friends I seem to be the only one against it. I have heard all the possible excuses for it. "Aww you gotta give a point because both teams worked hard for 60 minutes". That is total BS in my opinion. Out of the 4 major sports hockey is the only one where wins don't count.

Baseball, Football, and Basketball teams are all placed in the standings according to wins. In hockey they sit according to how many times they lost in OT and that's not right.

These are the current standings:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/standings/

Now these would be the standings if OT/SO points to the losing teams weren't rewarded.

EASTERN CONFERENCE
1. Boston - 68
2. Washington - 60
3. New Jersey - 59
4. New York - 56
5. Montreal - 54
6. Philadelphia - 50
7. Buffalo - 48
8. Carolina - 46
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9. Pittsburgh - 46
10. Florida - 42
11. Toronto - 34
12. Atlanta - 34
13. Ottawa - 32
14. Tampa Bay - 32
15. Long Island - 26

WESTERN CONFERENCE
1. San Jose - 68
2. Detroit - 62
3. Calgary - 56
4. Chicago - 50
5. Edmonton - 48
6. Phoenix - 48
7. Anaheim - 46
8. Colorado - 46
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9. Minnesota - 46
10. Columbus - 44
11. Vancouver - 44
12. Nashville - 40
13. Dallas - 40
14. Los Angeles - 39
15. St Louis - 38

What a difference ehh? This is what the standings should look like. There isn't much of a difference in the teams who are in the playoffs but there is a difference on where they sit and how many points they are behind or in the playoffs by. Vancouver, Dallas and Philly sure have dropped a little! Even in recent years, there are so many teams who got screwed out of a playoff spot because of this stupid point. In the NHL wins don't count.

Teams like Chicago and Philadelphia aren't such a lock anymore to make the playoffs, even though I know they would probably get in anyways.

Some Solutions:
1. Just make wins and losses count. 2 points for a win, 0 for a loss(including OT/SO)
2. 2 points for a regulation win, 1 point for an OT/SO win
3. Give 3 points for a win in regulation / 2 points for a win in OT/SO / 1 point for a OT/SO loss

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01-22-2009, 11:13 AM
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2 pts - regulation win

1 pt - OT/SO win

0 pts - any loss

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01-22-2009, 11:35 AM
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2 PTS - Win or OT win
0 PTS - Loss, OT loss, or tie

No shootout.

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01-22-2009, 12:11 PM
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I would've thought this topic'd been done to death by now (just assuming...I'm new here) but regardless. My take on it is go with the 3 point system, for a few reasons:

1) This is more of an argument for keeping the shootout, but with the price of tickets as they are now, and the Canucks coming out East as rarely as they do (though it's a bit better under the new scheduling system), it would be extremely dissatisfying to see games end in a tie. I've been to 2 games out here in the past 2 years, and both went to shootouts, and it vastly improved the entertainment value. Go with the 3 point system, then .500 hockey becomes about 1.5pts per game, and you can compare pre-SO point totals simply by dividing by 1.5pts. Further, you could compare non-SO wins vs. wins rather than have Brodeur break the wins record because of an unfair systems advantage.

2) The shootout is to independent from gameplay to actually revoke points from a team based on a poor performance there (this probably sounds biased as a Canucks fan, 1-6 in shootouts). So you have to give the losing team at least one point.

3) All the win records and point records are being compared on a completely different scale from the pre-SO era. It doesn't make sense to have some games worth 3 points and some worth 2. The term '.500 hockey' now represents something well below average. There should be a static number of points available, and if you're giving 1 point to the shootout loser that means you have to use a 3 points system all the time.

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2 PTS - Win or OT win
0 PTS - Loss, OT loss, or tie

No shootout.
0 points for a tie?

I'm fine with the OT, fine with the shootout, but I hate loser points. I realize my team has benefitted from them more than most other teams, and I hate it. Two points for a win, zero for a loss, no matter what. Is that so hard?

No other league rewards teams for losing, I can't see why the NHL feels the need to.

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No other league rewards teams for losing, I can't see why the NHL feels the need to.
Because of the shootout. No other league (to the best of my knowledge) plays a mini-game where success in that game is nearly completely independent of ability at the 'real' game.

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01-22-2009, 12:25 PM
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I'm fine with the OT, fine with the shootout, but I hate loser points ... Two points for a win, zero for a loss, no matter what.
I agree and holy crap, Vancouver would've been screwed with that format!

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Because of the shootout. No other league (to the best of my knowledge) plays a mini-game where success in that game is nearly completely independent of ability at the 'real' game.
No, before the lockout you still got a point for an OT loss.

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If you lose you LOSE. NO POINTS. NO NOTHING. I like the idea of a

win- 2 points
OT/SO win- 1 point
Any loss- 0

That seems fair

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Bring back Ties with 10min OT.

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I agree and holy crap, Vancouver would've been screwed with that format!
We suck at shootouts.

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Because of the shootout. No other league (to the best of my knowledge) plays a mini-game where success in that game is nearly completely independent of ability at the 'real' game.
Except the most popular sport in the world. The most important games can be decided by a shootout.

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There should be no points for losing a game. Having said that, teams should also not lose a point because of skills competitions. Put the 4 on 4 sudden death for 5 minutes, followed by 3 on 3 for 5 more minutes. If tied after, both teams have earned the one point!

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I'd be ok with not getting a point if you lost in overtime but not in a shootout. I'd also be ok with three points for winning, and one for an OT or SO loss.

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I hate the 1 pt for the OT/SO loss. It's retarded. I'm an oiler fan and I thought it was retarded last year as well.

Have a nice day.

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I thought this poll would have a bigger outcome and would draw a lot more attention. Oh well....

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I'm ok with any system where the same amount of points are handed out in each game. That's why I don't like the current system, and I don't like the 0 points for both teams if it ends in a tie. In preferred order:

1. 3 p for win, 2 p for OT/SO win, 1 p for OT/SO loss, 0 p for loss.

2. Plain and simple: only wins count, no matter if you win in regulation or OT/SO. And by the way, why would you in this system hand out 2 points for a win when you can't get 1 point for a game??? Just count the wins and forget about any points.

3. 2 p for win, 1 p for tie, 0 p for loss. 5 min OT.

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