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01-23-2009, 01:33 PM
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Rank the decisions of our management..

Rank the decisions of our management.. from best to worst



Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season.
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC.
Not Resigning Jagr
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year.
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year.
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year.
Not resigning Nylander
Not resigning Straka
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round
()Not firing Renney




If you can think of any other big decisions for better or for worse this organization has made, let me know

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I'm guessin this is all post lockout. Otherwise others like Trading for Jagr, trading away leetch, drafting Jessiman must be included.

Trading Tyutin for Zherdev - A
Trading for Avery - A
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year. A-
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round - incomplete but looks to be good
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round - see above
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year. - B
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year. - B
Not firing Renney c-
Drafting Montoya - C- although I understand why we did
Not resigning Nylander - D- huge freakin mistake... also lead to signing smurfs
Not Resigning Jagr - D- another juge freakin mistake
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million F
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC. F
Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season. F-
Letting Maloney leave F-
Not Firing Sather is there anything lower than an F-


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Redden signing: F

Everything else gets a passing grade.

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Good:
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev
Not firing Renney
Not resigning Nylander
Not resigning Straka

OK:
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year.
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round (too early to call it anything else)
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round (ditto, but how nice would Berglund be?)
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year.
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year.

Bad:
Not Resigning Jagr
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC.

Awful:
Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season.

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Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season. F
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million D+
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC. C-
Not Resigning Jagr D
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev A-
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year. B+
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year. C+
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year. A+
Not resigning Nylander B-
Not resigning Straka A-
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round Incomplete
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round Incomplete
()Not firing Renney A+

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Rank the decisions of our management.. from best to worst



Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season.
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC.
Not Resigning Jagr
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year.
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year.
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year.
Not resigning Nylander
Not resigning Straka
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round
()Not firing Renney




If you can think of any other big decisions for better or for worse this organization has made, let me know
I'll do the grades like everyone else. It makes more sense that way.

Redden - F

Gomez - F

Drury - D

Not keeping Jagr - I don't even know how to grade this, but I'm okay with it. This team wouldn't be much better with or without Jagr.

Tyutin/Zhedev - A

Naslund - C

Rozsival - D, because this occurred after the Redden signing. If there is never any Redden acquistion, then I give this a B

Avery - Same as Jagr. I don't really care. Would I rather have Avery than Redden? Sure.

Nylander and Straka - I don't care

Sanguinetti/Del Zotto - I don't see the need to draft both, considering the team's lack of scoring, but I think both will be solid players, so I'll give it a B

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Good:
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev
Not resigning Jagr, Nylander, Shanny, Straka, Avery.
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round

OK:
Drafting Sanguinetti in 1st round
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year.
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC. (Gotta give to get in this market. I can live with one of those contracts, especially his because its 5 and not 7 yrs. Its both that make it suck.)

Meh: Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year. (A little less would have been more palatable)

Bad:
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million

Awful:
Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season.

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F -> Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season.
C- -> Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million
D ->Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC.
C ->Not Resigning Jagr
B+ ->Trading Tyutin for Zherdev
B+ ->Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year.
B- ->Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year.
A+ ->Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year.
A ->Not resigning Nylander
A ->Not resigning Straka
A ->Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round
A ->Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round
D ->Not firing Renney

I pretty much agree with not resigning Jagr, Nylander, and Straka but I don't think Slats stepped in and replaced them with the right guys. I like the Naslund signing and the Zherdev trade I'm okay with. We should have signed a different/cheaper d-man instead of Redden and that money could have gone to another top 6 winger. The Drury deal is the worst of all. He's a glorified 3rd liner. Could have kept Matt Cullen for cheaper and put that money into a real top 6 guy.

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Lester Patrick stepping down as coach to concentrate on being GM B+

Signing Edgar Laprade A-

Not resigning Buddy O'Connor after the '51 season D+

Keeping Coach Frank Boucher after 9 seasons of 1st round exits or no playoffs F+

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Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season. C
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million B-
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC. C+
Not Resigning Jagr NA
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev B
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year. B
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year. B
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year. B+
Not resigning Nylander NA
Not resigning Straka A
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round TBD
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round TBD
()Not firing Renney B+

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Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season. C
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million B-
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC. C+
Not Resigning Jagr NA
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev B
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year. B
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year. B
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year. B+
Not resigning Nylander NA
Not resigning Straka A
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round TBD
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round TBD
()Not firing Renney B+

Why a C+ ?

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Lester Patrick stepping down as coach to concentrate on being GM B+

Signing Edgar Laprade A-

Not resigning Buddy O'Connor after the '51 season D+

Keeping Coach Frank Boucher after 9 seasons of 1st round exits or no playoffs F+
hahahah great

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Bluenote...

I'm not even sure. It's tough ranking decisions one by one when much of these are done and rated as a whole. I'm not ecstatic about Drury, but at the same time he's not a zero (to me). Others like him a lot and love his "leadership", but someone like me really doesn't see all this leadership and feel he's best as a follower.

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I'm not even sure. It's tough ranking decisions one by one when much of these are done and rated as a whole. I'm not ecstatic about Drury, but at the same time he's not a zero (to me). Others like him a lot and love his "leadership", but someone like me really doesn't see all this leadership and feel he's best as a follower.
Cool, just wanted to ask.

Personally I think he works hard and THATS where his leadership comes into play. The young guys try to match that kind of play and I think thats why we've been as successful as we've been even thoguh we are hardly a lethal goal scoring machine

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Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season.- Bad decision...Redden is simply put, not a 6mil dollar player. 4 mil I could have lived with, but if it wasen't Sather someone else would have shown him the money. Sathers bad here was missing the boat on Brian Cambell. Should have offered a little more, and much less for Rosy.

Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million- Mediocre decision by Sather to bring Scotty to NY. Not everyone can excel here, and so far Gomez might not have lived up to all the expectations, but overall he is a very valuable asset to this team. Albeit, somewhat overpaid...but Sather wanted to make the splash, and adding he and Drury I beleive he thought he had a cup winner last season. Especially with Jagr still on the club at the time. I still think Gomez was a good move, but again.

Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC.- Mediocre decision by Sather here again. I love Drury's game, and I think he too like Gomez is a valuable asset to the Rangers. He is a solid captain, and is just a natural leader. Team is way better with him here. He too was overpaid though. If he and Scott Gomez were at 5-6 mil, I would consider this a great move for Sather.

Not Resigning Jagr- Good move by Sather. Renney now doesn't have to treat anyone with kid gloves. Jagr was by far the best player on the team, but played the game on his own terms. His talent level was so much better than everyone, that even with lesser linemates, he should have produced much better than he did. Didn;t like the idea of him as team captain from day 1. Again, tremendous player, incredible skills...not a leader.

Trading Tyutin for Zherdev- Excellent move by Glen Sather. Zherdev dominated for most of the first half of the season. He now is the highest skilled player on the club. I don't like all the line juggling that Renney did with him, and I think that hurt his game some. Needs to get out of his goal slump, but everyone has seen the talent here. Renney needs to get him going. Zherdev in the past has been known to dissapear, but hopefully for him he can get himself out of the rut. Even with the slump, Zherdev is a great asset to the club, and IMO should be re-signed next season. I liked Tyutin, but he was expendable. Especially with the defenseman in the system already.

Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year.- Good move by Sather. Naslund fits in well here under Renneys system. 4 million isn't overpaying for him eaither. Two years is a good contract for him as well.

Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year.- Bad move by Glen Sather. Rozsival was coming off hip surgery, and the risk factor here was too high. Team needed a PP QB, and a physical defenseman. Instead, they got two overrated blueliners that just don't cut it for the salary they are paid. I don't see Rozsy as a $5mil player....I see him as a $3 mil player at best.

Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year.- Good decision by Sather. Not, for the lockeroom cancer reasons that most of the sports writers spit out. But...the money was too much for him. But...Avery wanted back here so bad, that I think Sather could have either offered an extra year on the contract or a little more than he offered. I think a good salesman could have convinced him to stay here for $3mil. Again, I know the guys shortcomings, but he brought charachter to this club...and the Rangers were a grittier team with him on it.

Not resigning Nylander- Good and bad move here. If Jags was to be kept around, then Nylander should have remained here. He at 4mil would have been a better move than Drury at 7. You wouldn't still have all the line juggling that still goes on now. Plus, would have liked the idea of Naslund on the left side of those two. But...the good part is Jagr opted to play in Russia, and the rusult so far has been a team that sat atop the Atlantic since the start of the season. Granted 1 behind the Devs now, but the changing of the guard has so far worked out for this club. No Jagr, No Nylander is a good move. No Drury, plus Nylander and Jags is a good move. Depends on how you look at it.

Not resigning Straka- Good move, Marty was old, not as much of a facotor anymore. Also, there was enough small forwards in the top 6 already. Thanks for the hard work, team is better w/out him.

Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round- BPA is always a good move.
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round- BPA is always a good move
()Not firing Renney- Good move. Playoffs for three straight years, on the right path again. Renney has his shortcoming, but so does everyone else. He is getting the job done here...And let's face it, NY is not an easy place to play.


...That's all I have to say bout that!

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Everything else gets a passing grade.
huh? as in F+ passing? there are certianly some huge FFFFailures in there other than redden.

and hell yes on the chicken fingers and criscut fries, the only thing that makes most home games interesting on most nights.

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I hear you on Drury, but again, to me he's not a leader. He's an "A" that works well with a real leader. I think there's a bit more to being a leader than just working hard. I think his results have been spotty at best since he arrived.

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I wouldn't mind you elaborating more on Jagr - specifically the kid gloves comment. Seemed to me he was a model student. Played with the likes of Isbister and Hossa. Had a rookie centerman. Had his PP time cut significantly last season (and the result of a PP that was worse than what the team had in the prior two seasons). Never complained. Always came to work, played hard (backchecked!) and had a smile on his face. I still don't understand why people always talk about his special treatment.

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Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season. C - There are a lot worse defenseman out there.
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million B - You do realize that Gomez takes the pressure of of kids like Dubinsky and Anisimov to be highly productive early in their career.
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC. B Makes the PK unit great and he's a good leader.
Not Resigning Jagr A - I guess people didn't realize the only player he could play with was an old fart in Nylander. He also admitted dogging last year. Not a good example for the young players.
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev A
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year. B
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year. C+
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year. A+
Not resigning Nylander A - Nylander is finished
Not resigning Straka A - Too old.
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round A Safety in number. Team needs a future point man.
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round A Team badly needs a future point man.
Not firing Renney B- He still has major flaws as a coach but you would have to find a good replacement if you can him.

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I wouldn't mind you elaborating more on Jagr - specifically the kid gloves comment. Seemed to me he was a model student. Played with the likes of Isbister and Hossa. Had a rookie centerman. Had his PP time cut significantly last season (and the result of a PP that was worse than what the team had in the prior two seasons). Never complained. Always came to work, played hard (backchecked!) and had a smile on his face. I still don't understand why people always talk about his special treatment.
Some people are obsessed with criticizing Jagr. I don't understand why. He had an HUGE impact on this team in more ways than one, and I, for one, will always be thankful for him.

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Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season. C - There are a lot worse defenseman out there.
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million B - You do realize that Gomez takes the pressure of of kids like Dubinsky and Anisimov to be highly productive early in their career.
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC. B Makes the PK unit great and he's a good leader.
Not Resigning Jagr A - I guess people didn't realize the only player he could play with was an old fart in Nylander. He also admitted dogging last year. Not a good example for the young players.
Trading Tyutin for Zherdev A
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year. B
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year. C+
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year. A+
Not resigning Nylander A - Nylander is finished
Not resigning Straka A - Too old.
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round A Safety in number. Team needs a future point man.
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round A Team badly needs a future point man.
Not firing Renney B- He still has major flaws as a coach but you would have to find a good replacement if you can him.
This is probably close to what I would say.

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You can't look at these things in a vacuum.

Individually, I don't find the Redden and Rozsival signings to be all that bad. But when you look at them together, they don't make sense to me.

Montoya might have not turned into anything yet. But he was a need when he was drafted and the Rangers took the highest rated goalie available in that draft — hard to kill that. And they still got Sjostrom, who's been an important PK and SO guy for them.

We really have no way to grade the Sanguinetti and Del Zotto picks other than looking at where they were projected to go and where the Rangers got them.

The Rangers let Maloney go because he was offered a higher position. Its not as if he left for another AGM position.

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Signing Wade Redden to a six-year contract worth $6.5 million a season. C - There are a lot worse defenseman out there.
Signing Gomez to a seven-year deal with the Rangers worth $51.5 million B - You do realize that Gomez takes the pressure of of kids like Dubinsky and Anisimov to be highly productive early in their career.
Signing Drury to a five-year contract for $35.25 million. Also a NMC. B Makes the PK unit great and he's a good leader.
Not Resigning Jagr A - I guess people didn't realize the only player he could play with was an old fart in Nylander. He also admitted dogging last year. Not a good example for the young players. Trading Tyutin for Zherdev A
Signing Naslund for a two year, 8 million dollar contract. 4mill a year. B
Resign Michael Rosival to a 4 year, 20 million deal. 5 mill a year. C+
Passing on resigning Avery at 4 mill a year. A+
Not resigning Nylander A - Nylander is finished
Not resigning Straka A - Too old.
Drafting Del Zotto in 1st round A Safety in number. Team needs a future point man.
Drafting Sanguetti in 1st round A Team badly needs a future point man.
Not firing Renney B- He still has major flaws as a coach but you would have to find a good replacement if you can him.
RE: The lines in bold.

1. Agreed, there are many worse defensemen out there. Granted, none of them have that awful of a contract.
2. Right, Gomez's signing deserves a B because he will relieve pressure for Dubinsky and Anisimov...for seven years? C'mon. The Gomez signing has been awful, and will continue to be awful until we get the right winger for him. Also, Dubinsky owes most of his production from last year to one person - Jaromir Jagr.
3. Many problems with this statement. Jagr has played (well, at that) with players other than Michael Nylander. Let's not forget that he led the team in points last year with a rookie and a variable winger. So much for "dogging" it. Let's not forget that he was nearly unstoppable in the playoffs -- unfortunately the team as a whole was outmatched though.

Other than that, you seem to be spot on.

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