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01-24-2009, 08:29 PM
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Scott Niedermayer

i just saw him in the all-star skills comp. what would it take to get him away from the ducks?

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Zajac, 2009 1st

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01-24-2009, 08:54 PM
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really seems kinda high, if that is market value i probably wouldn't do it... i mean he is 34, His last two seasons he has combined for 160 games and 32 points.... also post lockout he is a combined -18... his leadership is unquestioned and is probably his most tremendous asset.

I am not saying he isn't worth it, i would rather just keep my first round pick and keep a young talent in Zajac...

Also the odds of him being traded are low, Ducks are in a playoff race so....

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really seems kinda high, if that is market value i probably wouldn't do it... i mean he is 34, His last two seasons he has combined for 160 games and 32 points.... also post lockout he is a combined -18... his leadership is unquestioned and is probably his most tremendous asset.

I am not saying he isn't worth it, i would rather just keep my first round pick and keep a young talent in Zajac...

Also the odds of him being traded are low, Ducks are in a playoff race so....
The Ducks are more than likely to miss the playoffs, and if, by the deadline, they aren't in the top 8, rumor is Pronger will be gone (according to Kypreos on SNET). So if they are planning to be sllers at the deadline, I don't see why they won't trade the likes of Pronger, Neidermayer, Marchant, Morrison, etc.

I think Pronger/Neidermayer value is likely to be somewhere along the lines of top young player + 2009 1st.

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01-24-2009, 09:12 PM
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The Ducks are more than likely to miss the playoffs, and if, by the deadline, they aren't in the top 8, rumor is Pronger will be gone (according to Kypreos on SNET). So if they are planning to be sllers at the deadline, I don't see why they won't trade the likes of Pronger, Neidermayer, Marchant, Morrison, etc.

I think Pronger/Neidermayer value is likely to be somewhere along the lines of top young player + 2009 1st.
Well they are in 8th place right now.... but thats the same return campbell recieved.... i think campbell is better then those two so, idk if the same return is waranted

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01-24-2009, 09:16 PM
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really seems kinda high, if that is market value i probably wouldn't do it... i mean he is 34, His last two seasons he has combined for 160 games and 32 points.... also post lockout he is a combined -18... his leadership is unquestioned and is probably his most tremendous asset.

I am not saying he isn't worth it, i would rather just keep my first round pick and keep a young talent in Zajac...

Also the odds of him being traded are low, Ducks are in a playoff race so....
I really don't understand where you got 160games and 32points from?

This defenseman, just a season and a half ago(06-07) captained his team to the Stanley Cup winning the Conn Smythe and scored 15G-69pts in 79gp! Then as we all know he went through some difficulties deciding whether to retire or not, decided the latter, returned rusty and still managed 8G-25pts in 48gp, a 13G-42pt pace. He is now playing on a fringe playoff team, and is still on pace for 48pts.

I don't understand your stats at all..Post lockout he has a combined +9 rating, and in his last 176gp(last 3 seasons (including this one)) he has 123pts.

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Well they are in 8th place right now.... but thats the same return campbell recieved.... i think campbell is better then those two so, idk if the same return is waranted
What the ****? You think Campbell is better then Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger? Do you realize who those two are? (& lets just pretend you forgot Pronger is signed past this season as well..)

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01-24-2009, 09:22 PM
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really seems kinda high, if that is market value i probably wouldn't do it... i mean he is 34, His last two seasons he has combined for 160 games and 32 points.... also post lockout he is a combined -18... his leadership is unquestioned and is probably his most tremendous asset.

I am not saying he isn't worth it, i would rather just keep my first round pick and keep a young talent in Zajac...

Also the odds of him being traded are low, Ducks are in a playoff race so....
Your stats are way off

He has 29 points in 49 games this year

If you want Niedermayer you better start with a first and a good young player or prospect

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01-24-2009, 09:26 PM
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Your stats are way off

He has 29 points in 49 games this year

If you want Niedermayer you better start with a first and a good young player or prospect
From the Canucks I'd offer a 09 1st, Alexander Edler, and 09 4th for both Niedermeyer brothers (in case they wanted to stay playing for the same team

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I really don't understand where you got 160games and 32points from?

This defenseman, just a season and a half ago(06-07) captained his team to the Stanley Cup winning the Conn Smythe and scored 15G-69pts in 79gp! Then as we all know he went through some difficulties deciding whether to retire or not, decided the latter, returned rusty and still managed 8G-25pts in 48gp, a 13G-42pt pace. He is now playing on a fringe playoff team, and is still on pace for 48pts.

I don't understand your stats at all..Post lockout he has a combined +9 rating, and in his last 176gp(last 3 seasons (including this one)) he has 123pts.



What the ****? You think Campbell is better then Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger? Do you realize who those two are? (& lets just pretend you forgot Pronger is signed past this season as well..)
Your absoultely right, i looked up rob's stats instead of scott, forgive me... but campbell has better production this year and last year then scott N and pronger.... i would take campbell over both,

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From the Canucks I'd offer a 09 1st, Alexander Edler, and 09 4th for both Niedermeyer brothers (in case they wanted to stay playing for the same team
Might be tempting depending where we are at the deadline

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Can't see Niedermayer being traded. Like Selanne he came out of retirement to play for one team and one team only.

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Can't see Niedermayer being traded. Like Selanne he came out of retirement to play for one team and one team only.
He was under contract

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IMO, Anaheim shouldn't trade Niedermayer, Giguere, or Selanne before asking for their permission, NTC or not. For this reason, I see Anaheim trading Pronger, if anybody at all!

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Your absoultely right, i looked up rob's stats instead of scott, forgive me... but campbell has better production this year and last year then scott N and pronger.... i would take campbell over both,
Offensive production is not the main priority of a DEFENSEman. The fact that Scott N and Pronger can do both shutdown top lines and score those big goals makes them 10x as valuable as Brian Campbell will ever be.

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I'd be willing to give up a lot for him... but what bothers me is the fact that if he does get traded, he could retire the following season. Then the team who gets him gets ripped off big time.

If anyone were to give a prospect, and a first rounder.

I'd make sure Neidermayer was signed for at least another 2 years where he can't retire in between those years

But that's not going to happen so...

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Your absoultely right, i looked up rob's stats instead of scott, forgive me... but campbell has better production this year and last year then scott N and pronger.... i would take campbell over both,
Campbell can't hold Niedermayer's or Pronger's jockstrap.

You're actually saying that come games in April and May, you'd rather have him out on the ice for your team than either of those two? I'd bet my life that 30 NHL GMs and 30 coaches would disagree. And any trade discussion now for a playoff team centers around the next few months.

Two HOFers, both with miles left (age 34, by the way is not the least bit old for a quality NHL dman, contrary to insufferable HF myth), both just two springs removed from leading a team to the Cup. And the fact that Niedermayer's contract comes off the books at the end of the season, in some ways, makes him even more attractive, of more value, to a potential suitor, as NHL GMs need to manage payrolls.

The price for either Duck dman would be tremendous. Campbell might be the best pick for one's fantasy league team. That's about it.

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I'd easily trade Edler and a 1st for Scotty N, if that would get it done. As for Pronger...I think I'd probably offer Raymond + Edler + a pick...although I doubt Pronger is going anywhere, depsite the situation in Anaheim looking bleak.

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Pronger will easily be the best trade a team makes at the deadline

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I would definitely trade the Devils first and a top prospect (Bergfors? Tedenby?) to bring Nieds back to NJ.

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I'd easily trade Edler and a 1st for Scotty N, if that would get it done. As for Pronger...I think I'd probably offer Raymond + Edler + a pick...although I doubt Pronger is going anywhere, depsite the situation in Anaheim looking bleak.
Not nearly enough, better put Bieksa in there somewhere cause Edler has been unimpressive this year..

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From Ottawa I'd offer Chris Phillips, Brian Lee, a 1st round pick, and possibly Dany Heatley.

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From Ottawa I'd offer Chris Phillips, Brian Lee, a 1st round pick, and possibly Dany Heatley.
Holy overpayment! This is the Niedermayer of 2009, not 2007.

Something based on Phillips and San Jose's first should do it. Although would Ottawa really be interested in Niedermayer, considering their place in the standings?

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Some of you might have forgotten, that he will likely retire after this season.

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Some of you might have forgotten, that he will likely retire after this season.
How so? He might retire but what makes you think it likely?

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Some of you might have forgotten, that he will likely retire after this season.
I doubt it with the Olympics being so close to his home next season

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