Matt Duchene, Brayden Schenn, Evander Kane, and Jared Cowen are my hopefuls if we're picking anywhere between 3-7. If we land any one of those four, I'll be doing a similar dance to last years draft.
Beautiful work as always my friend. Your opinion is not too far off from mine, at least in the top 20-30 or so.
Draft day will sure be one to celebrate, with all the top talent available. We all have our favourites, but I think we can all agree that as long as we pick somewhere in the top 7 or so, we're going to get an outstanding play and a building block for the future.
Luke Schenn has been nothing but fantastic for us, getting a potentially better player makes me very happy and excited about our future.
Nice work Mess. Will there be scouting reports to follow? (Not that I want to overload you, or anything. ).
Anyway, here's a few thoughts. I'm with you 100% on putting Duchene and Schenn in the 3 and 4 spots. They are definitely my two faves after the big 2 are gone. That said, I see very little drop off from 3 to 8. What do you think? I would be pleased with any one of those 6 guys.
I think Zach Budish (pictured above) is going to sneak into the first round. You have him at 57 which is a reasonable place given the fact that he's out for the season and therefore it's harder to get a read on him. I'm intrigued by his unbelievable size/strength and reports of his talent as displayed in previous seasons. I could see him being a Burke-type.
Just for fun- who are 10 guys you see as "Burke-types." I'll scan your list and come up with some names too.
Nice work Mess. Will there be scouting reports to follow? (Not that I want to overload you, or anything. ).
Anyway, here's a few thoughts. I'm with you 100% on putting Duchene and Schenn in the 3 and 4 spots. They are definitely my two faves after the big 2 are gone. That said, I see very little drop off from 3 to 8. What do you think? I would be pleased with any one of those 6 guys.
I'm not Mess but I agree that in my amatuer opinion there is very little drop off from 3-8.
(Just to be clear- I'm not sure I actually believe in the myth of the Burke-type, but it' still fun to think about it and to see if we notice a trend in his drafting).
Also, I'm ignoring the top 10 (those guys should please any GM) and probably lots of other good choices too.
Zack Kassian
Charles Olivier-Roussel
Chris Kreider
Jimmy Bubnick
Zach Budish
Seth Helgeson
Brayden McNabb
Marcus Foligno
Jesse Blacker
Kenny Ryan
As I go through the list I realise how little I really know about this draft crop.
Steven Anthony is a player I'm really interested in going forward.
The Sea Dogs drafted him really high in the amateur draft .. He came into the CHL as a highly regarded prospect as such ..
He has been buried behind Leafs Dido on the depth charts and for the most part has been underwhelming to this point.. However the trading of Dido recently has turned the spot light on him and he has really started to perform now .. To the point of being Q offensive player of the week in a league stacked with offensive players. In the last 3 games now his stats are 5 Goals 6 assists 11 points.. He has NHL size 6-2 200lbs and a good skater ..
The next half the season will be very interesting and if he continues to perform well as he will climb the draft charts at a rapid rate. Central Scouting has him at #92 at the mid point but he has the skill and potential to really change that position positively for himself. I already have him in my Top 100 and CSS does not combine NA and Euro Skaters or Goalies so he would be much lower ranked for them.
I agree he is a player that should be earmarked and watched closely from now on..
I have the same sense Jericho. Be interesting to see if the tiers shift around any between now and the draft.
Me three
Tavares and Hedman battle for 1-2
Duchene, Schenn, Cowen, MSP, Kane battle for 3-7 spots
Jordan Schroeder looks like number 8..
Kadri, Despres, Kulikov, Morin, Moore, types battle to sneak into the top 9-12. etc
The IIHF U-18 tournament in April is the next big scouting opportunity and chance for some of these players to perform and solidify their performances. Without question Duchene, Schenn, Kane and Cowen will all be on Team Canada taking on MSP and some of the other youngsters.
Duchene, Schenn, Cowen, MSP, Kane battle for 3-7 spots
Jordan Schroeder looks like number 8..
Kadri, Despres, Kulikov, Morin, Moore, types battle to sneak into the top 9-12. etc
The IIHF U-18 tournament in April is the next big scouting opportunity and chance for some of these players to perform and solidify their performances. Without question Duchene, Schenn, Kane and Cowen will all be on Team Canada taking on MSP and some of the other youngsters.
Great job Mess...as always !
1. I strongly believe Olivier Roy's position will be a mystery until draft day. A team can take a chance on him top 12, or he can go in the 20-30 range. Either way, I hope the Leafs do their homework on this kid, and if he looks good, then try to acquire another first to take this guy.
2. I love Brayden McNabb. A big guy, which Burke likes, and not that bad of a skater.
great job Mess,they look like little hockey cards.
That was the idea in the style of display ..
I shrink them down to put them on HF to fit on the message board, but my originals in my file are 2X that size bigger about the exact size of a hockey cards in fact.
I have them all in a big Excel file sorted first by positions and then a master list and I cut and paste and move players up and down on a regular basis as more scouting or viewing occurs or reports and other information becomes available.
Glad you like the presentation.. I will release a final ranking in this style but also am doing individual scouting reports of the top 45-60 ranked players which will make it look like the "The Hockey News" draft preview guide for Leafs board and get some other junkies like my pal Timlap to provide some of the scouting information for that joint completed project.
Nice work Mess. Will there be scouting reports to follow? (Not that I want to overload you, or anything. ).
Thanks for offering your services . I would look forward to a combined project for our Leafs board where I could present pictures and stats and we work together on the scouting reports and other info provided for the top couple of rounds .. You always have a great presentation each year already. More eyes on scouting only helps in the more information we can provide.
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Anyway, here's a few thoughts. I'm with you 100% on putting Duchene and Schenn in the 3 and 4 spots. They are definitely my two faves after the big 2 are gone. That said, I see very little drop off from 3 to 8. What do you think? I would be pleased with any one of those 6 guys.
I agree and the U18 in April will be the clincher and the CHL playoffs will help solidify final spots.. IMO.
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I think Zach Budish (pictured above) is going to sneak into the first round. You have him at 57 which is a reasonable place given the fact that he's out for the season and therefore it's harder to get a read on him. I'm intrigued by his unbelievable size/strength and reports of his talent as displayed in previous seasons. I could see him being a Burke-type.
Budish is one of many players I struggle with trying to figure out where to place him.. This guy is a two star athlete and also a Middle linebacker for his high school football team.. He tore his ACL near the end of the football season and with surgery will miss the entire hockey season.. However I have direct quotes for scouts and coaches about the impact this kid has as a hockey player.. In the Ivan Hlinka tournament last September he represented the USA and was apparently and man among boys in that event.. When your 6-4 210+ and 17 and high school your hard to miss. Then you ask yourself is this guy the next Hugh Jessiman (NYR 1st round #12 overall in 2003).. ISS and CSS all have him ranked as a 1st round pick based on his massive size and skills.. How good must you be to miss your entire draft year and still be considered a 1st round selection and your only a USHS player? So I move him up and down weekly not really sure what to do with him, but because there are so many good players its easy to bump and injured player down.. I agree Burke would love a guy like this and might need a late 1st early 2nd to have a chance at him..
hmmm schenn 4th overall? but good list... i def. wouldn't have had the time or energy to do that
I figure I have at least 1000+ hours put into this 2009 entry draft at the mid point.. Scouting, viewing game film, reading scouting reports and player interviews and then sorting organizing, presenting the 2009 draft class. Its a passion of mine as an amateur draft junkie so I take in all sorts of hockey games etc to see the kids before they are drafted and follow their progress closely leading up to the draft.
Its takes hundreds of hours searching the web for player photos alone .. Cutting, sizing and formatting them into a display like this, and then researching all their current stats and updating them on a regular basis to track those that are performing well and those that are struggling etc.. But you can learn so much about the players themselves we you set out to find a picture of him available on the web as you read through all sorts of boxscores and game sheets and stories about their antics etc..
The most fun comes at the end because every year I prepare my own draft list as if I was attending the draft myself and then see how I compare to the real life results that occur. Then its fun to follow those young players after they are drafted an see eventually how they turn out and which ones you had right and wrong.
PS.. My wife is very understanding and allows me this little vice of mine.
The IIHF U-18 tournament in April is the next big scouting opportunity and chance for some of these players to perform and solidify their performances. Without question Duchene, Schenn, Kane and Cowen will all be on Team Canada taking on MSP and some of the other youngsters.
I'm hoping to get a better viewing of a guy like Panik at this tourney. As I hadn't seen much of him before the WJC and was very intrigued by his top 10 rating in the early rankings. However, he seems to have slipped to a late 1st rounder in many lists, maybe because of his showing at the WJC and his injury? From what I saw (I watched every game because I was very intrigued by him) and he looked pretty good. He has speed and some pretty soft hands. I don't know much about his defensive side of the game though or the physicality aspect.
TSN has him listed at 6'1 and 202lbs. That's pretty good size, hopefully Burke takes a look at him.
Mess could you provide a couple links to Panik's scouting reports? I've been looking everywhere and it's very slim pickins.
I also read somewhere where it questioned his work ethic?
EDIT: This is all I can really find. I especially can't find many recent things, only from the summer and before the WJC really. Except the odd blurb that Panik's stock fell because he disappeared in the bigger games in the WJC.
Summary: Same team as last month, but six spots lower? What gives? Well, Richard Panik's stock. Once considered a top-ten pick (see October's mock), the Slovak wonder kid has had to deal with injury, reports of prima donna play, and a lack of production. Known for his game-breaking skills, Panik has all the talent in the world, or at least as much as perhaps any forward in the draft. However, it will come down to work ethic. Panik has turned it around as of late, leading to speculation he came back too early from an injury he was told to rest. A good World Juniors would go a long way to rebuilding his stock.
10. Richard Panik Panik plays a lot...a lot...a lot...like Jaromir Jagr. He has firepower and can bring it any day, the only question is if he wants to useh is firepower. Otherwise, he is Top 15 easily.
From what I've seen, I didn't really get that feel. I mean, I guess I can see where they are coming from, but Jagr was a couple inches taller, and about 30-40 pounds heavier.
PS.. My wife is very understanding and allows me this little vice of mine.
She deserves sainthood lol... my own GF (although displeased with me at the moment ) is also very understanding of my hockey passion and time on HF. Bless 'em.
And I'll chime in on the great work as well, and again as usual. There's 29 other team boards to read about prospects, and then there's the Leaf board, and everyone on HF knows it, whether they like to admit it or not.
It's one of the reasons I love this board, even if lately we're at each others throats a lot. You and Timlap are bar none the best on HF at this. I'll take your guys rankings over most scouting rankings.
I'd take MSP over Kane, I don't really know enough to go much deeper then that.
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The Sea Dogs drafted him really high in the amateur draft .. He came into the CHL as a highly regarded prospect as such ..
He has been buried behind Leafs Dido on the depth charts and for the most part has been underwhelming to this point.. However the trading of Dido recently has turned the spot light on him and he has really started to perform now .. To the point of being Q offensive player of the week in a league stacked with offensive players. In the last 3 games now his stats are 5 Goals 6 assists 11 points.. He has NHL size 6-2 200lbs and a good skater ..
The next half the season will be very interesting and if he continues to perform well as he will climb the draft charts at a rapid rate. Central Scouting has him at #92 at the mid point but he has the skill and potential to really change that position positively for himself. I already have him in my Top 100 and CSS does not combine NA and Euro Skaters or Goalies so he would be much lower ranked for them.
I agree he is a player that should be earmarked and watched closely from now on..
I agree 100% with this sentiment and I would love for the Leafs to grab Anthony.
Bless the QMJHL for their live streaming and I really like what I see from Anthony when I get the chance to watch Dido play.
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