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Mikko Koivu or Ales Hemsky

View Poll Results: Who would you take?
Hemsky (Not an Oiler fan) 97 31.70%
Koivu (Not a Wild fan) 122 39.87%
Hemsky (Oiler fan) 74 24.18%
Koivu (Wild fan) 13 4.25%
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01-26-2009, 08:27 PM
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Mikko Koivu or Ales Hemsky

Simple question, who would you take on your team?


Koivu (25 years old) - 46 GP : 13 goals : 33 assists : 46 points : 1.00 PPG

Hemsky (25 years old) - 36 GP : 14 goals : 27 assists: 41 points : 1.15 PPG

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01-26-2009, 08:31 PM
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I'd like to add that Hemsky plays nearly 3.5 less minutes per game and shares the same +/- as the "defensively responsible" Koivu.

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01-26-2009, 08:32 PM
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Hemsky hands down.

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01-26-2009, 08:34 PM
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Hemsky and I explained why in the ****storm of a thread on the main board.

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01-26-2009, 08:40 PM
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Hemsky is God

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Taking the poll literally, I'd take Hemsky on my team over Koivu because Vancouver's set at center with Sedin, Sundin and Kesler with Hodgson coming up next year. plus Hemsky is signed to a very good contract.

But I think Koivu's the better player.

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01-26-2009, 09:01 PM
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Its interesting that all the guys slamming Hemsky in the thread on the main board have voted already.

I voted Hemsky, but I couldnt have told you who Koivu played for before this thread. I'll admit I'm uninformed.

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I'd like to add that Hemsky plays nearly 3.5 less minutes per game and shares the same +/- as the "defensively responsible" Koivu.
+/- means **** all in a defensive standpoint. Case in point, 2 years ago, Tom Preissing had the same +/- as Nik Lidstrom. Does that mean his defense is as good as Nik's?? Definitely not.

Koivu is a stud defensively.

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I'd take Koivu. Hemsky is probably the slightly more effective offensive player, but Koivu is better defensively, kills penalties, contributes on the dot, and plays a larger role in general.

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They are pretty close. I picked Koivu, but it could go either way really. It depends on the team's needs, as both players fill different roles. Florida could definitely use a 1st line center, even moreso if he is a solid passer.

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Its interesting that all the guys slamming Hemsky in the thread on the main board have voted already.

I voted Hemsky, but I couldnt have told you who Koivu played for before this thread. I'll admit I'm uninformed.
Is there a way to see who voted for what? I only see one of the posters who thought Koivu was better then Hemsky posting in here. I do see a few more of the Hemsky fanboys. Just saying

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whoops voted Hemsky not an Oiler fan meant to vote Hemsky an Oiler fan.

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Is there a way to see who voted for what? I only see one of the posters who thought Koivu was better then Hemsky posting in here. I do see a few more of the Hemsky fanboys. Just saying
Just click on the numbers besides the Poll results.

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01-26-2009, 09:33 PM
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Just click on the numbers besides the Poll results.
Cool...thanks CD

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I'd like to add that Hemsky plays nearly 3.5 less minutes per game and shares the same +/- as the "defensively responsible" Koivu.
Like that means anything.

Koivu leads his team in virtually every meaningful category (including +/-), some by a large margin, like points. His 3.5 more minutes per game come mainly by being the team's #1 forward penalty killer (for the #2 PK I might add), unlike Hemsky's whopping 6 seconds of PK work per game. In other words, Hemsky rides the pine when his team's shorthanded. Koivu will face the opposite team's best in a shutdown role and be the best offensive player on his team all in the same game. Plus he's turned to for every key faceoff, and he's not an injury magnet either. Hemsky's slightly better PPG this year is worth all that? Absolutely not.

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Is there a way to see who voted for what? I only see one of the posters who thought Koivu was better then Hemsky posting in here. I do see a few more of the Hemsky fanboys. Just saying
Just click on the number beside the option.

If Koivu is better than Hemsky because he has more points than him(in 10 more games) and a bunch of intangibles(which is all a matter of opinion). Then I guess Hemsky is better than Spezza since he has more points........

Koivu
2005-06 64GP 6G 15A 21Pts
2006-07 82GP 20G 34A 54Pts
2007-08 57GP 11G 31A 42Pts
2008-09 46GP 13G 33A 46Pts
Totals-249GP 50G 113A 163Pts

Hemsky
2006-07 81GP 19G 58A 77Pts
2006-07 64GP 13G 40A 53Pts
2007-08 74GP 20G 51A 71Pts
2008-09 36GP 14G 27A 41Pts
Totals-255GP 66GP 176A 242Pts

Don't try the "The Wild play a more defensive game" because they are almost dead even in total goals with Edmonton since the lockout. MacT is not an offensive coach.
791-785.


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01-26-2009, 09:50 PM
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koivu easily

im still trying to figure out who this hemsky guy is

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Hemsky in a walk

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Like that means anything.

Koivu leads his team in virtually every meaningful category (including +/-), some by a large margin, like points. His 3.5 more minutes per game come mainly by being the team's #1 forward penalty killer (for the #2 PK I might add), unlike Hemsky's whopping 6 seconds of PK work per game. In other words, Hemsky rides the pine when his team's shorthanded. Koivu will face the opposite team's best in a shutdown role and be the best offensive player on his team all in the same game. Plus he's turned to for every key faceoff, and he's not an injury magnet either. Hemsky's slightly better PPG this year is worth all that? Absolutely not.
Koivu is second on the ice for the most goals against on the Wild(including dmen who play a minute more than him on the PK).

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Koivu is second on the ice for the most goals against on the Wild(including dmen who play a minute more than him on the PK).
Since Koivu is less than 30 seconds behind the two top defensemen in PK time for the Wild, I wonder where you got the "minute more".

It's not hard to be second in that category when you're the center that plays mainly against top lines in every situation and is #1 in forward ice time. But, Koivu is also 2nd in team GF/GA, a plus 22. Only Andrew Brunette, who doesn't play on the PK at all, is ahead of him. To help illustrate Koivu's effectiveness on both ends, Shawn Horcoff, Edmonton's version of Koivu, is only a plus 4 in GF/GA (and leads the Oilers in goals against), even though he's only played a little more shorthanded per game than Koivu.

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Since Koivu is less than 30 seconds behind the two top defensemen in PK time for the Wild, I wonder where you got the "minute more".

It's not hard to be second in that category when you're the center that plays mainly against top lines in every situation and is #1 in forward ice time. But, Koivu is also 2nd in team GF/GA, a plus 22. Only Andrew Brunette, who doesn't play on the PK at all, is ahead of him. To help illustrate Koivu's effectiveness on both ends, Shawn Horcoff, Edmonton's version of Koivu, is only a plus 4 in GF/GA (and leads the Oilers in goals against), even though he's only played a little more shorthanded per game than Koivu.
We're talking about Hemsky here, try to keep it on track

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Hemsky. Koivu is a ****ing dirty player like the Kostitsyns.

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I learned in the Spezza vs Hemsky thread that the player that has been better over their career is the better player right now. If that's the case..."call me when" Koivu puts up 70 points twice.

Anyone else getting sick of hearing about Hemsky. The guy needs to hurry up and have a bad game so we can stop talking about him.

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Just click on the number beside the option.

If Koivu is better than Hemsky because he has more points than him(in 10 more games) and a bunch of intangibles(which is all a matter of opinion). Then I guess Hemsky is better than Spezza since he has more points........

Koivu
2005-06 64GP 6G 15A 21Pts
2006-07 82GP 20G 34A 54Pts
2007-08 57GP 11G 31A 42Pts
2008-09 46GP 13G 33A 46Pts
Totals-249GP 50G 113A 163Pts

Hemsky
2006-07 81GP 19G 58A 77Pts
2006-07 64GP 13G 40A 53Pts
2007-08 74GP 20G 51A 71Pts
2008-09 36GP 14G 27A 41Pts
Totals-255GP 66G 176A 242Pts

Don't try the "The Wild play a more defensive game" because they are almost dead even in total goals with Edmonton since the lockout. MacT is not an offensive coach.
791-785.
This is why Hemsky would be my first choice, an extra 80 points over 3.5 seasons is reason enough for me.

Hemsky in the 3.5 years is a .949 PPG and Koivu is .655PG in that same 3.5 years.

Please tell me why you would take Koivu over Hemsky?

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