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They also need a back up goalie and a fourth liner to replace Kopecky. They may be able to sign Franzen and Hudler but it is unlikely they'll be able to afford Hossa.
seriously, people need to read the thread.
they have a back up goaltender.
And if Hossa takes the same value as Zett, they will resign him and move somebody.
So I assume that you are vehemently opposed to a trade to bring Lecavalier to Montreal then?
I'm not speaking for him but for myself, yes, I do vehemtly oppose bringing Lecavalier into the fold in Montreal. Not only would we be stuck with his contract for 10 years at 7.5 or whatever it is, but the team would be gutted of decent players, prospects and picks.
But I assume you are simply going of a player's contract. So again, yes. Very long-term deals have a way of biting you in the rear at some point down the road. Whether it be through injuries (long-term, hi Dipietro!), a drop in production (the Sens woes come to mind) or a player just not gelling with the team on the ice that season (Brad Richards maybe?). The ability to move that player anytime in the future is grim and there won't be many takers, and, if there are, the return could be pretty poor.
In short, these incredibly long-term deals are pretty ridiculous.
$100M is highly unlikely, I admit (even though projected inflation for 2009-2010 is superhigh). $80M is definitely possible.
please note there is generally a time lag associated with inflation and actual salaries. Also, from an NHL standpoint, inflation at a national level means fans have less money to spend, and therefore revenues would be expected to go down.
Quick question, does the 6 mill cap hit come off the books if zetty retires before the contract ends? I assumed no because its too obvious a loop hole, but just want to confirm.
This is just like Madden...when you play franchise mode and to resign players or sign free agents you sign all of them to 7 year deals in which they get paid the most at the end, and then in a season or two you resign them to another 7 year deal, and keep on goin. Ken Holland plays Madden
Great deal though. Im willing to bet he'll still be pretty good in his late 30s.
Quick question, does the 6 mill cap hit come off the books if zetty retires before the contract ends? I assumed no because its too obvious a loop hole, but just want to confirm.
its not a loop hole, and its been discussed.
If you sign a player over the age of 35 to a multi-year contract, it counts against the cap no matter what [Demoted/Retires]
If you sign a player under the age of 35 to a multi-year contract, if something stops him from playing, the team is not on the hook for the contract.
And if Hossa takes the same value as Zett, they will resign him and move somebody.
I'm sorry I didn't read the whole thread it is 10 friggin pages dude! My comment is still accurate. Who is the backup? Jimmy Howard? Ok then nothing changes really in terms of goalie salaries but if you sign Hossa for $6m that brings the total to around $53m and that doesn't include Franzen, Samuelsson and Kopecky. That $53m doesn't inlcude a raise for Samuelsson who is arbitration eligible. I'm guessing he'll get over $2m but won't bother including that. That leaves around $3m (depending on the CAP) or so to sign 3 forwards. Somebody will not be on their roster next year and odds are it is either Franzen or Hossa. That is just my opinion.
I'm sorry I didn't read the whole thread it is 10 friggin pages dude! My comment is still accurate. Who is the backup? Jimmy Howard? Ok then nothing changes really in terms of goalie salaries but if you sign Hossa for $6m that brings the total to around $53m and that doesn't include Franzen, Samuelsson and Kopecky. That $53m doesn't inlcude a raise for Samuelsson who is arbitration eligible. I'm guessing he'll get over $2m but won't bother including that. That leaves around $3m or so to sign 3 forwards. Somebody will not be on their roster next year and odds are it is either Franzen or Hossa. That is just my opinion.
Hossa signed in Detroit for the express purpose of winning a Cup. He took less to play there this season and they had the cap space to accommodate a player of his calibre due to the current contracts of Zetterberg and Franzen.
He won't be back after this season and everybody knows this.
They also need a back up goalie and a fourth liner to replace Kopecky. They may be able to sign Franzen and Hudler but it is unlikely they'll be able to afford Hossa.
For the 9th time: the Red Wings have Jimmy Howard signed to a 1-way contract for next season, and he won't be exempt from waivers in 2009-10. They have the goalie situation covered, they don't need to go find another goalie unless either Howard or Osgood goes down to injury and they don't trust Daniel Larsson to come up to the NHL.
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You present that as a fact while I'd argue that's very much up for interpretation.
What interpretation? Nothing in the CBA says that a player who retires for a reason other than injury does not count against the cap for the remaining seasons on the contract unless he was 35 or older at the time the contract was signed, and then it's only for the 2nd and later years of a multi-year contract. As the CBA stands now, Zetterberg could sign the contract and play 3 years and then retire because he doesn't feel like playing any more, and the remaining years of the contract don't count against the cap.
If you can find something in the CBA that says differently, by all means ... post it.
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That $53m doesn't inlcude a raise for Samuelsson who is arbitration eligible.
Samuelsson isn't arbitration-eligible. He's UFA at the end of this season.
Then it should have been up for interpretation 3 years ago when it was added to the CBA and other players were signed ot long term extensions.
It seems to me that the only issue people have is that he signed so cheap. If he signed for 8 mil a year, nobody would be *****ing about loopholes.
His yearly cap hit is low and makes it a steal on a per-year basis. No question. However, it still doesn't change the fact that very long term contracts are incredibly stupid and have yet to work in the day-to-day grind of the NHL.
Someone is bound to get screwed from this deal. The most obvious answer to whom is Detroit since there is a much higher chance of Zetterberg falling off the rails before half the contract is over instead of Zetterberg lighting it up year in and year out with varying players coming into the fold over the course of many NHL seasons.
His yearly cap hit is low and makes it a steal on a per-year basis. No question. However, it still doesn't change the fact that very long term contracts are incredibly stupid and have yet to work in the day-to-day grind of the NHL.
Someone is bound to get screwed from this deal. The most obvious answer to whom is Detroit since there is a much higher chance of Zetterberg falling off the rails before half the contract is over instead of Zetterberg lighting it up year in and year out with varying players coming into the fold over the course of many NHL seasons.
Loopholes or not, it's a dumb contract.
Good, I really hope Montreal never signs a star player to a "dumb" contract like this
doubt Samuelsson will be re-signed after this season. They have alot of upcoming players from the farm and it won't suprise me if Wings trade Filppula with his 3M cap hit which is way too much fo a 3rd line Center.
For the 9th time: the Red Wings have Jimmy Howard signed to a 1-way contract for next season, and he won't be exempt from waivers in 2009-10. They have the goalie situation covered, they don't need to go find another goalie unless either Howard or Osgood goes down to injury and they don't trust Daniel Larsson to come up to the NHL.
Is there are reason you need to be a jerk about this? The point I was making had nothing to do with goaltending and was about CAP space but I'm sure you didn't bother to read that one. I already acknowledged this in another post. Yet you take the time out of your life to be pompous and reitirate what has apparently already been said 8 times. Why waste your time responding to morons like myself? You come off as a very arrogant know-it-all. This is a hockey message discussion board so most people here are fans, not professionals. Shame on me for making a comment about a player that has already been accounted for.
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Samuelsson isn't arbitration-eligible. He's UFA at the end of this season.
I meant Hudler. My mistake.. am I allowed to do make a mistake or am I going to be scolded again your Highness? The point still stands about CAP space. Hudler is due a raise and will probably get a decent one if he ends up in arbitration.
The Red Wings will lose one of Hossa, Franzen or Sammuelson this summer. That is my opinion. Now I'll go back to memorizing the CBA and make sure I read every comment in every thread before I post.
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At first I thought "that is crazy"! But now that I'm thinking.. that is a very very crafty move.
If Zetterberg doesn't finish the contract and plays ten years, that is $7m a year Detroit will pay him for his services but the CAP hit will only be $6m. I don't know the ramifications if he retires but if for some reason the CAP hit still applies to Detroit, they trade him to a team like Nashville (if they are still around) with an asset and Nashville takes on a $6m CAP hit but only shells out $1m in salary. So it essentially eats up CAP space without actually having to spend the money.
I love all the natural reactions of people are to be bitter about it. I kind of thought it was a little ridiculous but now it really looks like a very savvy move by Ken Holland. $72m is a lot of guaranteed money and Zetterberg doesn't have to worry about going through that process ever again.
There is still a bit of a risk involved of course if Zetterberg sustains a serious injury but I still think this is a pretty good move. Best extremely long contract that has been signed since the new CBA.
Creative? The Flyers did it two years ago with Briere.
