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02-02-2009, 08:04 PM
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Pronger

everyone loves to hate him but we all know what a difference this guy can make.

pretending the rumors are true, would you do couture + petrecki + (?). or something like that? just another thing to keep in mind... C and P have done even less at this point than Michalek and Carle had at the time...

come on, the sharks + pronger makes even the 'paper<ice' rule irrelevant. it would be too good.

no one wanted to consider michalek + carle and whatever else it was at the time but look at how that turned out.


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everyone loves to hate him but we all know what a difference this guy can make.

pretending the rumors are true, would you do couture + petrecki + (?). or something like that?

come on, the sharks + pronger makes even the 'paper<ice' rule irrelevant. it would be too good.

no one wanted to consider michalek + carle and whatever else it was at the time but look at how that turned out.
No...just on principle. I really hate that guy. Plus giving away 2 prospects like couture and petrecki? NEVER

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Can't see his cap hit fitting for next season, especially with the guys the Sharks want/need to re-sign.

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02-02-2009, 08:17 PM
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Pronger won't be a Shark. Ever.

Pronger might actually play for the Leafs next season. The Burke connection. And uh, the Leafs might and will trade some of their d-men. Kaberle, Kubina, Finger, Kronwall might be gone, at least some of them. Kaberle might actually stay, but others might be gone with their badself.

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We don't need Pronger. In fact, we don't need another defenseman.

A top four of Boyle, Blake, Vlasic and Ehrhoff is more than sufficient.

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everyone loves to hate him but we all know what a difference this guy can make.

pretending the rumors are true, would you do couture + petrecki + (?). or something like that? just another thing to keep in mind... C and P have done even less at this point than Michalek and Carle had at the time...

come on, the sharks + pronger makes even the 'paper<ice' rule irrelevant. it would be too good.

no one wanted to consider michalek + carle and whatever else it was at the time but look at how that turned out.
Believe me, I agree with you that the Sharks missed their golden opportunity to get Pronger from Edmonton. And who knows how everything would have played out if we got Pronger from Edmonton.

BUT at this point, there is no deal that would make sense, plus cap space is a huge issue. As hated as he is here, he'd still be welcome because of the game he brings. But it won't happen, sorry.

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1) Money, moving prospects doesn't make cap space magically appear, and I assume Pronger is a fat hit.

2) Yes, Couture and Petrecki have done even less than Michalek and Carle had, that doesn't mean they're predicted to be worse. They're prospects, of course they haven't done anything.

3) Pronger is only good when he has a hall of fame defenseman on his team (ok ok, so Edmonton there wasn't, but he was always only the 2nd best defenseman on St. Louis and The Duckies)...

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Petrecki is as close to untouchable as it gets.

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1) Don't think we need Pronger. Stated another way not sure we have a problem or hole on D that he would address. We got the lowest GAA in the NHL and Nabby's numbers have not been his best - something with the team and our D must be going right in this area...

2) Plus, i'm not willing to let prospects go at this time as we've don't so recently - as a team the grows players to the NHL level we just have to keep them and not trade them away faster than we can draft and develop them.

3) And, to much money on a few players - we have some high end $$ guys now and don't need another as this would cause cap problems moving forward. It would prohibit us from keeping the players we want and need. Look at what this
did to the Sens, they have let some high end D players so as to be able to keep their big 3 forwards and now they are in last place.

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would be lolful to see him boo'd as a shark

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With next year's cap space issues and people to re-sign, it would have to be a rental,,,for this season only. One shot deal, going full borke for a Cup this year: how many propsects would you give up for a gamble like that?

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The ducks are going to make the playoffs. Neither of Neidermeyer or Pronger will be traded.

The stars probably are too unfortunately.....

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No thanks!

1) Don't think we need Pronger. Stated another way not sure we have a problem or hole on D that he would address. We got the lowest GAA in the NHL and Nabby's numbers have not been his best - something with the team and our D must be going right in this area...

2) Plus, i'm not willing to let prospects go at this time as we've don't so recently - as a team the grows players to the NHL level we just have to keep them and not trade them away faster than we can draft and develop them.

3) And, to much money on a few players - we have some high end $$ guys now and don't need another as this would cause cap problems moving forward. It would prohibit us from keeping the players we want and need. Look at what this
did to the Sens, they have let some high end D players so as to be able to keep their big 3 forwards and now they are in last place.
detroit didn't need hossa either...

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everyone loves to hate him but we all know what a difference this guy can make.

pretending the rumors are true, would you do couture + petrecki + (?). or something like that? just another thing to keep in mind... C and P have done even less at this point than Michalek and Carle had at the time...

come on, the sharks + pronger makes even the 'paper<ice' rule irrelevant. it would be too good.

no one wanted to consider michalek + carle and whatever else it was at the time but look at how that turned out.
Giving up Couture and Petrecki is just too much no matter how good the player is.

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detroit didn't need hossa either...
And they will most likely lose him or Franzén because of it.

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I can see some Sharks fans setting DW on fire for trading Pronger into the team, or signing him for any amount of money

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Pronger's signed for next season, so he'd be a "long term rental" or the Sharks would have to trade him in the off season.

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Ok, enough is enough.

No chance this team signs Pronger... for SO many reasons.

1) we can't afford him

2) We don't need him

3) We'd be giving up the few prospects we have TO OUR BIGGEST RIVAL.

Won't happen, not in a million years. We have more chance of getting J Bo ffs.

Realistically? I don't see us making any trades at all. Anything we can afford is not going to be enough better than what we have to be worth the risk/price. Unless Boyle is more seriously hurt than we think (and it does not sound like it) we don't need him.

Playoff Roster:

Marleau - Thornton - Seto - Top scoring line in the league
Michalek - Pavs - Clowe - Scary second line that is HOT
Cheechoo - Mitchell - Grier - A monster of a defensive line, that can score
Shelley - Roenick - Lemieux - Brutal checking line

Alt's: Goc, Plihal, Mcginn

Luko - Boyle - Norris candidate and a solid partner
Vlasic - Blake - 2nd pairing better than most teams 1st pair
Murray - Ehrhoff - A 3rd line better than many teams 1st lines.

Alts: Semenov, Joslin

Nabby - Boucher - Best goal tending duo in the league


How do improve upon that realistically? Let's be happy with what we've got eh?

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02-03-2009, 02:30 AM
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detroit didn't need hossa either...
The WIngs have yet to win the cup and prove Hossa made the difference.

Plus, i've got 2 other reasons we don't do this deal.

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Nabby - Boucher - Best goal tending duo in the league
I believe thats a bit of a Homer viewpoint. As I do agree we have a nice tandem, I don't think they are the best in the league. Look at Boston with Thomas and Fernandez. Chicago with Huet and Khabibulin. Even more dangerous when Broduer is healthy again look at the Devils with Clemmensen and Brodeur. You can even throw in Columbus with Mason and Leclaire. So seeing as we do have a good duo, you really could argue with saying they are the best.

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Huet is garbage, Boston with thomas and fernandez hands down, then brodeur just because.... he's marty

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Ok, enough is enough.

No chance this team signs Pronger... for SO many reasons.

[...]

Playoff Roster:

Marleau - Thornton - Seto - Top scoring line in the league
Michalek - Pavs - Clowe - Scary second line that is HOT
Cheechoo - Mitchell - Grier - A monster of a defensive line, that can score
Shelley - Roenick - Lemieux - Brutal checking line

Alt's: Goc, Plihal, Mcginn

Luko - Boyle - Norris candidate and a solid partner
Vlasic - Blake - 2nd pairing better than most teams 1st pair
Murray - Ehrhoff - A 3rd line better than many teams 1st lines.

Alts: Semenov, Joslin

Nabby - Boucher - Best goal tending duo in the league


How do improve upon that realistically? Let's be happy with what we've got eh?
1. Yes, we won't be getting Pronger.

2. I like having Shelley, but I don't see him as an every game / series player in the playoffs. Goc or Plihal should be in instead for the most part. Goc is strong with face offs right now.. JR was pretty special last year but he has yet to show a lot this year, and I'm not sure that what he's done on the ice for these coaches, this year, will get him a ton of TOI in the POs. That is a work in progress.

3. Nabby - Boucher is strong but not best.

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I believe thats a bit of a Homer viewpoint. As I do agree we have a nice tandem, I don't think they are the best in the league. Look at Boston with Thomas and Fernandez. Chicago with Huet and Khabibulin. Even more dangerous when Broduer is healthy again look at the Devils with Clemmensen and Brodeur. You can even throw in Columbus with Mason and Leclaire. So seeing as we do have a good duo, you really could argue with saying they are the best.
Leclaire is out for the year

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Playoff Roster:

Marleau - Thornton - Seto - Top scoring line in the league
Michalek - Pavs - Clowe - Scary second line that is HOT
Cheechoo - Mitchell - Grier - A monster of a defensive line, that can score
Shelley - Roenick - Lemieux - Brutal checking line

Alt's: Goc, Plihal, Mcginn
Right now, Goc makes the playoff roster. If a faceoff needs to be won, hes going to be the guy taking it. Remember against Edmonton how they dominated faceoff after faceoff after faceoff? The key to this teams strength is puck possession, and the best way to get it is off the draw. Thornton is the only other guy whos even remotely close to Goc's ability in the circle.

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Pronger is not going anywhere, he's playing great right now and the ducks are playing better as a team, plus trading him in the division? no way

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