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01-29-2009, 10:14 PM
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Willie Mitchell or Mason Raymond

They were fighting at Canucks practice apparantly

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=406864

Maybe an overreaction, but something has to change there. Mike Gillis is suddenly looking like not such a genius

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2 threads for the same incident, eh?

Awesome smear job.

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I'd love to have Mitchell on the Oilers.

Just for ***** and giggles, since the Canucks and Oilers would never make a trade.

Something around Grebeshkov+ and Mitchell?

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Philly would be seriously intersted in Mitchell and Raymond would be of some interest as well.

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Raymond may very well be part of a package that Gillis puts together for a top 6 forward or a puck moving PP D man, but forget about Willie Mitchell. He's not going anywhere.

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I guess Shane O Brien was involved to, so add him in there

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I'd love to have Mitchell on the Oilers.

Just for ***** and giggles, since the Canucks and Oilers would never make a trade.

Something around Grebeshkov+ and Mitchell?
Grebeshkov + Hemsky


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Halak + 2nd for Sundin...

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They were fighting at Canucks practice apparantly

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=406864

Maybe an overreaction, but something has to change there. Mike Gillis is suddenly looking like not such a genius
Gillis never looked like a genius. While Phoenix, Edmonton, Calgary and Columbus all made offseason moves (moves that were often criticized by Canucks fans) to improve their teams Gillis made a retarded offer to Sundin who didn't even know if he wanted to play.

He made this sh!tbed, and he can lie in it.


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01-29-2009, 11:09 PM
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Christ, Raymond took exception to Mitchells hit on him during a puck retrieval drill, and there was a gloved punch and a cross check. Neither of them are going to be traded because of this incident, that's absurd.

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Gillis never looked like a genius. While Phoenix, Calgary and Columbus all made offseason moves (moves that were often criticized by Canucks fans) to improve their teams Gillis made a retarded offer to Sundin who didn't even know if he wanted to play.

He made this sh!tbed, and he can lie in it.
He also acquired Wellwood, Hordichuk, Johnson, OBrien, and Bernier, and until Luongo went down we were absolutely tearing it up.

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He also acquired Wellwood, Hordichuk, Johnson, OBrien, and Bernier, and until Luongo went down we were absolutely tearing it up.
Johnson hasn't looked that great all season. Certainly he is good at shot-blocking, but he was also brought up to be a face-off specialist and has been underwhelming at best. O'Brien is another case of positives marginally outweighing the negatives (League leader in PIM's, which makes the Canucks - what 2nd right now in PIM's?).

That, coupled with a 17th ranked PK (hello special teams, coaching staff) is not a recipe for success.

Wellwood and Bernier are not exactly good examples of Gillis pickups - not sure why you brought them up

When Sanford/Schneider started to falter he should've picked up a goaltender - and a better one than Labarbera. Just like he should've picked up a top 6 player or two before the season started, not midway through (and before you ask me who - the four teams I mentioned didn't seem to have any issues doing that, either through a trade or free agency).

At the end of the day Gillis upgraded our 4th line (wow) and added some fringe, marginal 2nd liners who were unable to stick with their previous teams (Bernier, Wellwood). Well Whoopty doo!! Plan the parade!!


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He also acquired Wellwood, Hordichuk, Johnson, OBrien, and Bernier, and until Luongo went down we were absolutely tearing it up.
Wellwood-Had a couple good weeks, but has been completely invisible since. He is so soft. He must take the side streets to GM place he is that afraid of traffic. Another Jason King basically. He just doesn't have the desire to be an NHL player. Heart is something you can't teach.

Hordichuk-Dime a dozen. Fourth line enforcer.

Johnson-See above, minus the enforcer part

O'Brien-Penalty machine. Leads the NHL in penalties. Just not a very smart player. Takes way too many dumb penalties. Ok for a bottom pairing.

Bernier-A third liner at this point. Doesn't provide nearly enough offense for what he was brought in for. Canucks were better off with the 2nd and 3rd round picks it cost.

Demitra-Injury prone 2nd liner. Soft as they come. He can put up around 45-55 points when healthy, but he's often hurt.

Sundin-Has been a total bust since signing. He could still turn it around, but he's lost a few steps for sure. Just doesn't have any speed at all. Also a penalty machine. Not worth the hype of 6 months buildup nor the money.


Gillis also never got a capable backup for Luongo in case he went down. He had some cap space, throw a 1.0-1.5 million at a solid veteran backup who at least should Luongo go down can hold the fort.

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Wellwood-Had a couple good weeks, but has been completely invisible since. He is so soft. He must take the side streets to GM place he is that afraid of traffic. Another Jason King basically. He just doesn't have the desire to be an NHL player. Heart is something you can't teach.
You've lost your credibility right there.

No heart? You should read his story.

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01-30-2009, 02:26 PM
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how about to the red wings


to red wings

mitchell


to canucks

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Gillis never looked like a genius. While Phoenix, Edmonton, Calgary and Columbus all made offseason moves (moves that were often criticized by Canucks fans) to improve their teams Gillis made a retarded offer to Sundin who didn't even know if he wanted to play.

He made this sh!tbed, and he can lie in it.


Yikes.

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Johnson hasn't looked that great all season. Certainly he is good at shot-blocking, but he was also brought up to be a face-off specialist and has been underwhelming at best. O'Brien is another case of positives marginally outweighing the negatives (League leader in PIM's, which makes the Canucks - what 2nd right now in PIM's?).

That, coupled with a 17th ranked PK (hello special teams, coaching staff) is not a recipe for success.

Wellwood and Bernier are not exactly good examples of Gillis pickups - not sure why you brought them up

When Sanford/Schneider started to falter he should've picked up a goaltender - and a better one than Labarbera. Just like he should've picked up a top 6 player or two before the season started, not midway through (and before you ask me who - the four teams I mentioned didn't seem to have any issues doing that, either through a trade or free agency).

At the end of the day Gillis upgraded our 4th line (wow) and added some fringe, marginal 2nd liners who were unable to stick with their previous teams (Bernier, Wellwood). Well Whoopty doo!! Plan the parade!!
What would you have done?

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What would you have done?
I'm not Diamond, but what should have happened was a coaching change.

Missing the playoffs last year was unacceptable, and IMO, that should have been AV's one-way ticket out of Vancity. But no, Gillis comes in and states that AV did what he could with the players he had. While that may had a slight ring of truth to it, anyone who's been watching this team since AV joined --and no, don't tell me about his Jack Adams winning year, blah blah blah; you can "thank" Luongo for that stellar run-- knows that the team has faltered at the most crucial of times.

I recall a game (second to last of the 07/08 season I believe) where we were down 1 goal with a minute to go in the 3rd, players are running amok, AV has ALL of his timeouts left and not one of them is used to try and calm the guys down. This is UNACCEPTABLE. Or how about the ridiculous line juggling? I won't get into that as it's been argued and recycled around these boards, time and time again.

I'm bitter. The coach has to go. Why? Because when a team looks good on paper but can't seem to get it together on the ice, the FIRST problem is almost always the coach.

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Last season, or 2 season ago I forget, when Malik and Avery fought at practice, Malik came out of that and started playing much better.

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Mike Gillis is suddenly looking like not such a genius
For not trading them away before the season started? What part did Mike Gillis screw up here? They were both signed to multi-year deals before he was even in the picture.

Anywho, all parties have talked to the media and said it wasn't a big deal. Raymond, O'Brien and AV all talked to the media following that exact practice.


I know people like making threads and such, but if you're going to bring it up, at least sort out the story first.

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What would you have done?
Hey - I'm not paid millions to manage this team. But I agree with Torque in that a coaching change was needed.

I was also adamant all summer long that we needed to get more help up front, and Demitra was not a good signing. Other teams were able to do so so I think saying there was no one available is a poor excuse. My idea was to package Edler or Bieksa and then sign Hainsey as a replacement (whom I'm sure would've taken similar money and chosen Vancouver over Atlanta), a PP QB/puck moving defenseman doesn't look so bad right now.

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They were fighting at Canucks practice apparantly

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=406864

Maybe an overreaction, but something has to change there. Mike Gillis is suddenly looking like not such a genius
the only people that thought gilles was a genius are those that hated nonis.
well, those and the people who judge a hockey team after 6 weeks of hockey.
otherwise, gilles have been an innovative GM, but haven't prove to be an average manager, let alone a genius.

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I guess Shane O Brien was involved to, so add him in there
Luongo yelled at them, so he's up for grabs if there's any takers.

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Hey - I'm not paid millions to manage this team. But I agree with Torque in that a coaching change was needed.

I was also adamant all summer long that we needed to get more help up front, and Demitra was not a good signing. Other teams were able to do so so I think saying there was no one available is a poor excuse. My idea was to package Edler or Bieksa and then sign Hainsey as a replacement (whom I'm sure would've taken similar money and chosen Vancouver over Atlanta), a PP QB/puck moving defenseman doesn't look so bad right now.
Who would you have signed (as a forward) instead of Demitra? You have to remember the price at what the good (and even not so good) players were going for on the market. High priced contracts for high years.


Look at everyone who went, man. People who are/were paid like Demitra bring the same offensive output as he does (points-wise). If you can prove me wrong, I'd be more than happy to say that I was incorrect. I never expected Demo to score 60+ points, I expected him to raise his teammates' game level- and he's done bits and shades of that since his arrival.

Ron Hainsey wasn't a bad idea, but when you look at the length of the contract he signed, there's no way we were going to re-up some of our key players this summer.

I have no excuses for Edler, but Bieksa was playing great right up until Luongo went down, and it's right then and there that the team started to falter- they lost their leader, and no matter who else you bring in, no one can replace the aura the captain boasts. He's back now, and he's taking a while to get in game-form, but I'm pretty sure once the attitude of the team changes, these sad stories will be in the back of our minds.



Maybe you just don't like Gillis, or maybe you just don't like anyone (), but Gillis accomplished in a matter of 6 (shoddy math) months to what Nonis did in 3 years.

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