Well that's how I see it...the 100th cannot be a reason why we should just forget how to build this team. I'm actually afraid it will though....This team needs to get significantly better and soon....but this year? Too many things not going well to start pretending that we're just 1 or 2 guys away....
I agree with u.The young players that are getting time will be alot better for it next year.Injuries are really hurting u guys bad too.hard to get consistancy with diff combos all the time.I would keep my youth though,thats where its at.
I started wondering what the Habs match plan was last game and couldn't figure it out.
They seems to play on their heels at all time, fearing mistakes.
They were passive on the power play,waiting for the other team to make the first move without trying to provoke things. I don't think strong teams like San Jose or Boston waits for the other team to do something in order to win, they make it happen.
Carbo is way overated by some. He is no better than Mario Tremblay.
Gimme a real coach and real assistant-coaches. + A GM who is willing to shake things up when requested. I am sick and tired to see guys like Thornton and Yelle playing like superstars against the Habs.
Dump, look at the puck, go back to retrieve cleared puck, dump, play some perimeter hockey while generating few chances, perhaps draw a penalty, dump, chase, watch team clear, dump, try to chase, take penalty, watch puck enter our net, think happy thoughts, dump, do nothing, dump, retrieve puck, dangle far too much, lose puck, get hemmed in d-zone, try frantically to dump the puck out...
i'm sorry but this it too funny. I know how you guys feel. We had a year of it under the Dave Lewis coaching system.
Always been huge fan of Carbo the checking foward...perhaps the best or the second best of all time behind Gainey.
Never been a fan of Carbo as a coach because he tries to coach everyone as though they were checking forwards like himself (amongst other reasons) but against hope, I was hoping that he can put things together as a coach this year and he has in some respects but is still failing in other respects.
Never wanted to try to disrupt the Centennial year Cup possibilities but it looks like the Centennial Cup thing may be a pipe dream without some major shake up.
Perhaps the solution is to get rid of Carbo and bring Bob behind the bench, get a system in place, trade for some key components and throw everything at the wall to see if we can win the Cup.
'Cos face it, Carbo will likely be gone after the season if he fails to at least make a strong run at the Cup and Gainey may not be safe either if this happens.
Perhaps it's time to be proactive and have Bob take the bull by the horn and win or lose the Cup with the team that he built!!!
The old excuse of "Carbo's a new coach give him time" is wearing thin and CH is getting further and furthur away from the Cup...just saying that this is an option because the climate to trade for some player is getting more and more difficult and have not always worked out for the trading team.
"It was a pretty even game for both sides for the whole 60 minutes, but I think a lesson that we got today was the way they played defensively and the way they play a system," Montreal captain Saku Koivu said.
It got me thinking, Boston plays a system, no big surprise there,
but what exactly is Montreal's system?
Try and trap teams to death. A system that most of the team seems to not want to play.
I like Carbo's intensity, but I don't like the fact that we don't EVER set the pace in a game. It always seems like we try countering our opponents, but if we get down 2-0 we don't seem to have the horses to come back this year.
We have some great skaters, I'd rather let those guys loose to score some goals and see how we do. I'm sure we'd lose a lot but it would be entertaining!
Remember San Jose last year? That's pretty much what we're going through but with Kovalev instead of Marleau. I suspect that getting rid of Carbo and replacing him with a coach who has an offensive system will do wonders for this team.
No system work when your players are playing like crap. It was the same system last year but the players actually did what was expected.
No.. if there was a REAL system the players either follow it or sit in the pressbox. Last year wins were mostly due to the PP and some hot goaltending (Huet/ Price)
I think Montreal should hang onto their assets and not trade them just cause its their 100th anniversary.not worth blowing up 4 or 5 years of good teams for 1 year of maybe.i think u will move some though.
I agree, I would rather watch another early exit this year(if we make it) than trading a bunch of youth for a stop gap attempt at a Cup in the Centennial year.
Gainey has a lot of room this offseason to shape the team. Gaborik could be had as an UFA to replace Kovy.
The kids are coming... Maxwell MaxPac Stewy Weber CHips etc
We must remember that we went through the season last year without any serious injuries. This year we have several key players that went down for couple of games.
Also, Hamrlik doesn't play as good as he did last year...in fact, the whole defensive squad is not performing as great as they did...I really think they expected O'Byrne to be a great part of the 6 D...too bad, he needs more time.
Lots of forwards are thinking for themselves before the team...which is normal due to the high number of UFA...yes, they should be motivated to get a new contract. But reality is; they always watch what the "other" guy is doing (ice-time, PP, who is he playing with, etc.). There's no "trust" between the players (my feeling only, I'm not in the locker room).
All NHL teams play the same system (or almost the same, with minor differences...), the difference is; are the players willing to play within the system. Remember when Claude Julien was here? We had the same discussions (Julien has no system...). But all of the sudden, he's the greatest coach on earth with the greatest system...Come on.
He only has better leaders who are willing to follow the system and who encourages others to do so...
We must remember that we went through the season last year without any serious injuries. This year we have several key players that went down for couple of games.
Also, Hamrlik doesn't play as good as he did last year...in fact, the whole defensive squad is not performing as great as they did...I really think they expected O'Byrne to be a great part of the 6 D...too bad, he needs more time.
Lots of forwards are thinking for themselves before the team...which is normal due to the high number of UFA...yes, they should be motivated to get a new contract. But reality is; they always watch what the "other" guy is doing (ice-time, PP, who is he playing with, etc.). There's no "trust" between the players (my feeling only, I'm not in the locker room).
All NHL teams play the same system (or almost the same, with minor differences...), the difference is; are the players willing to play within the system. Remember when Claude Julien was here? We had the same discussions (Julien has no system...). But all of the sudden, he's the greatest coach on earth with the greatest system...Come on.
He only has better leaders who are willing to follow the system and who encourages others to do so...
I agree about the UFA thing, but I disagree on the idea that teams all have the same system. Watch Detroit play their system and then watch the one Dallas plays. Not the same system at all. San Jose, last year, had a completely different system than this year. Their style of play is night and day. The difference? The coach. Yes, there were some new players, but the coach is also important.
1. don't do anything stupid that could lead to a goal for the other team
2. the forwards must come back to the defensive zone to help the dmans
3. all players must display a good effort everytime they are on the ice
this is our system, whatever the stupid posters can say
I just have the impression that this team will not amount to anything as long as Carbo is the coach. He just doesn't seem to be able to make this team perform well, our players always look lost (pretty much no system, and no offensive imagination) and his answer to losses is ''ok!! Line changes! Woo!!'' Not to mention the preferential treatment to ol'Breezer who shouldn't even be playing in the NHL, Tom K and Max Lapierre having more ice time than Andrei Kostitsyn and most of our offensive forwards, sending the 4th line on the PP and at the end of the 3rd period down by a goal...
Of course at some point the players have to be held accountable, but you can't say that we have no talent like some people here have said.''perimeter ballerinas bla bla, how do you want him to do anything with what we've got...'' I'd bet that a better coach would manage this team much more better. We lack some pieces for a Cup run but Gainey has gathered the ingredients and took this team out of the basement of the league, now we just need a real offensive star(an impact player, not necessarily mister 85 million 11 years)
ice all 4 lines the same amount of icetime, change lines every game, don't motivate players and don't allow anyone to stick up for teammates after a dirty hit. recipe for success!
I don't think many could accurately point what system carbo's trying to have his team play. In either case it's not working all that great. One thing good coaches are able to do is to design a system that is a) enables team to compete and win b) is bought into by the team because it properly exploits available set of skills on the team. Of course, little adjustments here and there are made to address missing pieces.
I think this is a great point. A good coach designs a system to best utilize the talent he is given by the GM. Look at the difference SUTTER has made in NJ and DeBoer in FLORIDA and JULIEN in BOS and McLellan in SJ and Boudreau in WASH and Queneville in CHI... the list goes on and on....Look at the improvement of these teams when a new coach took over. Yes you can say "look at what Carbo did last year" but really was there much of a system or did the PP and some hot goaltending carry the team
Discuss..........
Very good post!!
I agree. Carbo needs to do something that works. He has been trying the same old thing for too long and the players obviously aren't buying into it....so if he is a good coach, he should be able to come up with something that works for everybody. If he can't make things happen and fire up his team....maybe he is the whole problem!!
The thing that bothers me the most about Carbo is the way he insists on using his 3rd and 4th lines so much late in a game. Its good that we are able to do that most nights and get away with it, we have decent depth on our roster....but sometimes you have to have your best players on the ice in order to make anything happen and win hockey games.
ice all 4 lines the same amount of icetime,
how can you do different when the fourth line was the one carrying this team for a whole month.
change lines every game,
Successive injuries to top players dont give any choice
don't motivate players
I dont understand what you mean.
and don't allow anyone to stick up for teammates after a dirty hit.
I dont understand what you are referring to.
recipe for success!
ice all 4 lines the same amount of icetime, change lines every game, don't motivate players and don't allow anyone to stick up for teammates after a dirty hit. recipe for success!
HAHAHA.....yeah its working great these days isn't it?? LOL
