The numbers would work for next year with room to spare, no problem. You're talking about 2011, a million things can happen by then. I really couldn't care less about Kovalev, Lang or Tanguay. Tons of money. And trading young players to build around those guys makes no sense to me.
Am not talking about those players.
Am just trying to make some people understand that you can't just hand out contracts while only thinking about next year as you're on the hook for a bunch of years and have to factor other players coming in.
If you sign JayBo at 7-8M$, it fits next year but does it fit the year after? and the one after?
Why? Tanguay is a very good player and we can have him for a long time.
He's a good player who does not go anywhere near the front of the net. Huge pass. I wanna see this team make strides towards becoming a team that can, actually, you know, win in the play-offs.
That was a HUUUUGE risk by Boston because they had no guarantee Ryder would rebound. Maybe next year they won't feel so good?? Besides, Ryder still had a 25, then two 30 goal seasons before he played like crap last year. Plekanec has had one good year so far (last year), a decent year (2006-2007) and a regular rookie year (2005-2006)
Its still a ridiculous contract and I don't think the habs would be that stupid. Gainey is not that much of a gambler....And on top of that it is widely beleived that the cap is going down in 2010-2011 which means salaries should come down as well.
It was indeed a gamble but it just goes to show that it's not certain that Higgins and Plekanec will be had for 2M$ each.
D'Agostini (0.875)- Koivu (4M)- Pacioretty (0,875)- Cheap
Andrei K (3.250)- Plekanec (2M)- Sergei K (0.585)- Cheap
Latendresse (1M)- Lapierre (0.850) - Higgins (2M)- Cheap
Stewart (0.5) - Chipchura (o,850)- Kostopoulos (1M)- Cheap
Forwards: 17.785M !!!
Total : 46M ! 10M left, Bob could even go get Gaborik!!!
I hope Bob waits for the summer and cleans house.
OK -- EDIT
I obviously think 9M is way too much for Jay Bo; my point is how much room Gainey has under the cap to rebuild a top team with UFAs if we don't resign current veteran forwards Lang, Bégin, Kovalev, and Tanguay.
Let me do this OBAMA style : Say you wanted CHANGE and re-signed only the young guns and our Defense; what would you do with the insane amount of money that's left under the cap? Without the 9M for Jay Bo I count 19M left and Jay Bo and Gaborik on the market.
I'd rather get a big impact forward that can compliment our wingers, then a often injured Gaborik. We need some insurance upfront, right now our C prospects aren't so promising, and our current C isn't very nifty at all. I'd make a move for a Huge Center with great potential or trade some picks to land a solid potential #1 Center at the draft. As for FA signings I'd make a push for Alex Burrows I always liked this guy. And for D i'd sign Bouwmeester if he was reasonably priced if not then I'd go for Derek Morris, Paul Mara, Beauchemin or Bergeron, Kyle McLaren, or even Jordan Leopold. These are some really good Top 4 Ds that we can get for a good price. Derek Morris imo is a top 4 D, that we can get for a good price. Beauchemin, Bergeron top 4 D.
Tanguay will not be back. I bet he wont take a paycut (few players will) and his 5 million+ contract is ridiculous. Like someone said above, this team needs to start being built for playoffs. This summer we gain a lot of cap space and I think we should be signing guys that no what the front of the net looks like. We've been soft for a long time, and it shows.
He's a good player who does not go anywhere near the front of the net. Huge pass. I wanna see this team make strides towards becoming a team that can, actually, you know, win in the play-offs.
Kovalev is a VERY good player in the play-off and never go in front of the net. We will see Tanguay ^playoff value when we will be there.
What about Spezza? Not saying it would happen but turnovers or not hes a good elite center. abit small and needs abit more grit but he hasn't hit his peak yet and his team is falling apart and could use some D. Spezza might compliment Kovalev, only reason hes a turnover machine is because hes always with the puck, and he had a few good seasons, he can't be a total bust, nor can he be awful, he must be doing something right.
It was indeed a gamble but it just goes to show that it's not certain that Higgins and Plekanec will be had for 2M$ each.
Plek and Higgins are RFAs, so he'll have more leniency but that being said, I don't think they'll be signed at 2M. If BG pulls that off, then great. But I see Higgins getting around A.Kost money and Plek a little less.
I think Gainey had a plan right from the beginning of the year when he said he won't resign anybody during this season. I think he thought to himself, let's give the current veterans their time to shine, see how the new comers mold with our line up, and whomever has good seasons will be looked at as an important part of our team.
I think he wants to sign key UFAs next year. Seeing as he was a defensive specialist himself and surrounded the team by them, there's no way to believe he's not looking at solidifying our back end.
Up front, he'll be looking for difference makers, which we lack. Kovalev was one for us last year, but with the way things our going, I doubt BG will resign him unless he takes a big paycut.
One thing for sure, I'm already anxious to see what our team will look like at the start of the following season.
Plek and Higgins are UFA, that being said, I don't think they'll be signed at 2M. If BG pulls that off, then great. But I see Higgins getting around A.Kost money and Plek a little less.
I think Gainey had a plan right from the beginning of the year when he said he won't resign anybody during this season. I think he thought to himself, let's give the current veterans their time to shine, see how the new comers mold with our line up, and whomever has good seasons will be looked at as an important part of our team.
I think he wants to sign key UFAs next year. Seeing as he was a defensive specialist himself and surrounded the team by them, there's no way to believe he's not looking at solidifying our back end.
Up front, he'll be looking for difference makers, which we lack. Kovalev was one for us last year, but with the way things our going, I doubt BG will resign him unless he takes a big paycut.
One thing for sure, I'm already anxious to see what our team will look like at the start of the following season.
Kovalev is a VERY good player in the play-off and never go in front of the net. We will see Tanguay ^playoff value when we will be there.
Kovalev is a lazy, primadonna piece of ****. I have no respect for people with all the natural talent in the world and no determination. Kick that ****er out of here. And he only disappoints when you need him the most. We'll see Tanguay's playoff value, which won't be anything, perimeter plays will not win us a play-off game, let alone a series.
I know I'll never see him in a Habs uni. I know this is a silly speculation thread with made up numbers on the high side (JayBo) and the low (Price). But, man, I have to say that Jay Bowmeester is a dominant, dominant player I would pretty much give my left nut to have on my team. (Sorry my right one's already contractually tied up. Long story.)
Kovalev is a lazy, primadonna piece of ****. I have no respect for people with all the natural talent in the world and no determination. Kick that ****er out of here. And he only disappoints when you need him the most. We'll see Tanguay's playoff value, which won't be anything, perimeter plays will not win us a play-off game, let alone a series.
Seriously, I usually laugh at people that panic, but with the way things have looked, with Kovalev playing almost as poorly as 2years ago, with Plek looking like he'd easily get pushed around by a Pee-Wee AAA player, our collapse on D, our huge number of injuries...I'm really not that confident we'll even see Tanguay's PO value.
Tanguay is also a great complimental player, so, without any great talent around, he won't be nearly as effective. Put him with Koivu, he'll get less than point/game (60-70pts), put him with a Kovalchuk type and he'd get 80-90pts.
take away 2.5 mill from bouwmeester and give 1.5 mill to higgins and 1mill to pleks
And Higgins is paid 500k more than Plekanec for what reason(s)?
As for big lengthy expensive contracts... I don't expect much of them this summer... with the recession and most probably lower salary cap in the future, I doubt we'll see the enormous contracts, à la Campbell, being handed-out this summer...
And I still think that anything more than 5mil annually giving to Komisarek is overpaying.
Anyway, we need a franchise forward not another defenceman...
Just heard Shane O'Brien from the Nucks isn't happy there. I'd totally take him if we could, Top 4 D who has some offensive upside but also a human eraser. http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/?hubname=nhl-canucks
Hes a +7 3rd highest +/- on his team and we could sure use that, considering how bad his team is doing.
Just heard Shane O'Brien from the Nucks isn't happy there. I'd totally take him if we could, Top 4 D who has some offensive upside but also a human eraser. http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/?hubname=nhl-canucks
Hes a +7 3rd highest +/- on his team and we could sure use that, considering how bad his team is doing.
O'Brien would be awesome, paired up with Gorges on the 3rd d-men duo.
You dont get any offence from O'Brien but you get a guy with a nasty disposition ,who his tough and drops the mits.
Anytime...
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Originally Posted by BBrowser
If bob doensn't resign Kovi, Lang, Tanguay, Dandeneault, Bégin, How about the best top4 in the league next year?
D'Agostini (0.875)- Koivu (4M)- Pacioretty (0,875)- Cheap
Andrei K (3.250)- Plekanec (2M)- Sergei K (0.585)- Cheap
Latendresse (1M)- Lapierre (0.850) - Higgins (2M)- Cheap
Stewart (0.5) - Chipchura (o,850)- Kostopoulos (1M)- Cheap
Forwards: 17.785M !!!
Total : 46M ! 10M left, Bob could even go get Gaborik!!!
I hope Bob waits for the summer and cleans house.
OK -- EDIT
I obviously think 9M is way too much for Jay Bo; my point is how much room Gainey has under the cap to rebuild a top team with UFAs if we don't resign current veteran forwards Lang, Bégin, Kovalev, and Tanguay.
Let me do this OBAMA style : Say you wanted CHANGE and re-signed only the young guns and our Defense; what would you do with the insane amount of money that's left under the cap? Without the 9M for Jay Bo I count 19M left and Jay Bo and Gaborik on the market.
i am all for trading Kovalev, Bouillon, Begin and Dandenault
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Just heard Shane O'Brien from the Nucks isn't happy there. I'd totally take him if we could, Top 4 D who has some offensive upside but also a human eraser. http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/?hubname=nhl-canucks
Hes a +7 3rd highest +/- on his team and we could sure use that, considering how bad his team is doing.
I saw him being interviewed on TSN earlier and he looked quite pissed off on from the way he's been treated. After his statement, I'd be very surprised if he's not being shopped.
O'Brien would be a great addition for our defense IMO. His salary is 950K and he's a RFA after this season.
O'Brien would be awesome, paired up with Gorges on the 3rd d-men duo.
You dont get any offence from O'Brien but you get a guy with a nasty disposition ,who his tough and drops the mits.
Anytime...
I agree, I mean it would certainly be an upgrade over Breezer and Chicken Broth over there. Gorges and O'Brien are similar calibur players who stand up for their team, and we need more grit. Maybe O'Brien has a good slapper for the point on PP?
Cool Hadn't read it; but don't you think on top of things it leaves a ton of money for say Gaborik?
I dont know about Gaborik, he is often hurt and has some probs to play for Lemaire, in a structured hockey system.. Personally I think whats the most important is to solidify our defense with an elite defenseman able to do everything, a guy like JayBo would be perfect, we could use his shot and overall skills on the PP, what would make a huge difference right off the bat.. The PP kill us at the moment, we are not even dangerous and teams are aware of this, it kills any kind of momentum we try to generate.. We need someone able to take solid shots from the points and I just cant see anyone with the team or in the system ready to assume this role.. In fact, Weber is the only one I could see as a real possibility but I dont know how close he is to assume this role and I dont know if the team would be exposed using him at even strength..
Coming back to Gaborik, dont forget that we will have some RFAs to sign in the upcoming years.. So I doubt we really have the money to invest on a guy like him, especially considering how deep we are on the wings.. Anyway.. We will see how Gainey handles the situation but personally I share your view of getting better on D.. Up front Im really confortable with the young guys we have..
Just heard Shane O'Brien from the Nucks isn't happy there. I'd totally take him if we could, Top 4 D who has some offensive upside but also a human eraser. http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/?hubname=nhl-canucks
Hes a +7 3rd highest +/- on his team and we could sure use that, considering how bad his team is doing.
I had mentioned at the start of the year before he got traded to the Nucks that he would really be someone we needed. He is not a #4 Dman but a decent #6 . Brings what Henry did last game but just overall a little better.
I would keep maybe these 8 guys, because they play with heart:
Koivu (2-4M) Andrei K (3.250)- Plekanec (2M)- Sergei K (0.585)
Lapierre (0.850) - Higgins (2M)- Kostopoulos (1M)
Begin (not mentioned)
The rest can go or head back to the minors to learn how to play both sides of the game. i.e. Defense.
That leaves room for at least 4 new Forwards next season, hopefully Vinny is one of them.
I mean seriously we have no forward in the top 50 in scoring - our forwards generally are pathetic.
Andreï is a physical player but he doesn't realy play with heart, i mean it's not one of his feature, he's an honest player though. Sergeï has been playing with heart in the past but he's not showing right now, and he's hasn't been playing at all most of the time.
This is Andrei Kostitsyn`s team next year. Though technically he played games before last year, they were just sniffs of the NHL. This is his actual 2nd full-time year in the league and it`s more impressive. The consistency will come.
His brother is just having a sophomore slump. Look at Sam Gagner in Edmonton, 17 points in 43 games. These things just happen. He will bounce back.
I kind of feel that Plekanec will get an RFA offer from a stupid team looking for a 2nd line centre. Then Gainey will ship him off kind of like the Meszaros thing this summer. There really is no point in having him. Koivu will be re-signed and Lapierre showed he is a 3rd line centre. Plekanec has shown his true colours and he cannot lead a team nor a line by himself.
Hadn't read it; but don't you think on top of things it leaves a ton of money for say Gaborik?
