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02-13-2009, 09:51 AM
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I could see us going after Vermette. I'd like him on this team.
I can't see Ottawa giving up Foligno.

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02-13-2009, 11:29 AM
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If you get Halpern back... you're kind of neutralizing one his best assets by playing him with Modano. Modano is currently the team's best faceoff man and now he'd be stepping aside every draw? I think Halpern only makes sense if you can give him his own line.

The thought of the Sharks getting him though is nauseating.

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02-13-2009, 11:30 AM
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If you get Halpern back... you're kind of neutralizing one his best assets by playing him with Modano. Modano is currently the team's best faceoff man and now he'd be stepping aside every draw? I think Halpern only makes sense if you can give him his own line.

The thought of the Sharks getting him though is nauseating.
Great point. I forgot about that wild run that Modano is on in the faceoff circle. Isn't it over 60% the last 12 or so games.

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02-13-2009, 12:23 PM
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I still think if Halpern came to the team that he is automatically the best faceoff man we have, IMO.

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02-13-2009, 12:46 PM
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Well yeah, but he'd have to play wing or play 4th line minutes while making 2MM.

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Well yeah, but he'd have to play wing or play 4th line minutes while making 2MM.
Yes, but he'd also be our go to center for all PK duty. Two million isn't a lot if it improves Dallas' PK as much as I think Halpern can.

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02-13-2009, 01:39 PM
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Yes, but he'd also be our go to center for all PK duty. Two million isn't a lot if it improves Dallas' PK as much as I think Halpern can.
Right now, Tippett seems to go with either Richards-Eriksson or Modano-Lehtinen as the top PK group. I think he just rotates.

PK Forwards
Modano-Lehtinen
Richards-Eriksson
Petersen-Sutherby
Ribeiro-Ott

I guess a trade for Halpern would make them:

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Halpern-Ott
Modano-Lehtinen
Richards-Eriksson
Petersen-Sutherby

When deciding whether or not to bring him back though, I don't think his $2 million cap hit would have much of an impact. Dallas doesn't have issues next year, and Halpern would just be another player to add to the long list of free agents in 2010. If he was signed through 2011, that would be an issue.

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02-13-2009, 02:39 PM
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Bringing back Halpren recreates the logjam at center and it almost certainly steals time from a young player next year. When Morrow comes back who would be the odd man out? That's right Brunnstrom, because god knows Ott won't move to the forth line.

I like Jeff's game but that ship has sailed here in Dallas. There are other checking options for the future and for a team with Modano they just don't have the extra ice time or center space for him.

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02-13-2009, 03:42 PM
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Possibly, and while it's a big if, if for some reason Modano retires he could take over 3rd line checking center duties. That's pretty much his role.

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Possibly, and while it's a big if, if for some reason Modano retires he could take over 3rd line checking center duties. That's pretty much his role.
I don't know if I’d call Modano the checking line center because I don't think Dallas really has one.

Neal is good in his own zone, but he has standard rookie moments. Brunnstrom is still finding his way. Modano, well, he has his days that he seems like he could shut down anyone or he just feels like swinging his stick around.

I'd say Ribeio's line might actually be the "checking" line. Tippett said in a recent interview that he'd play that group against anyone. Plus, Richards line plays against the top lines occasionally. I think Tippett just rotates what group draws the other team’s top line, but it seems to rarely be Modano's. Neal and Brunnstrom kind of make that line a more significant offensive threat than a defensive one.

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02-13-2009, 03:53 PM
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Yeah I guess you could be right, I still think he'd play a role on any stanley cup competing team. Though I can't imagine him taking a spot of a young guy. I just hope they don't rush anyone because the beginning of this year was clearly a disaster and vet presence won't hurt next year. Unless someone like Wandell or Benn is actually ready, it would give us some nice depth.

What's the scouting report on Wandell anyway? He seemed to be having a good year and even potted one here, is this kid going to be top 6 material?

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02-13-2009, 04:42 PM
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Modano has stated repeatedly he will both play out his contract and watns to play at least one year beyond that. The Stars would have to win the Cup for him to retire, and we all know the chances of that happening are very slim.

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02-13-2009, 11:01 PM
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Modano has stated repeatedly he will both play out his contract and watns to play at least one year beyond that. The Stars would have to win the Cup for him to retire, and we all know the chances of that happening are very slim.
what he says and what he does is completely different. I fully expect him to play out his contract. However I don't believe he will play hockey after that. He will either one of three a) be content with his career and call it quits b) be unhappy with the role he has after next year (I am one of Mo's biggest fans but it is no secret that he can't sustain the type of play he once had) c) see his other friends retire around him and causes him to call it quits.

I wouldn't mind him playing after that but I just don't see it.

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02-13-2009, 11:21 PM
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what he says and what he does is completely different. I fully expect him to play out his contract. However I don't believe he will play hockey after that. He will either one of three a) be content with his career and call it quits b) be unhappy with the role he has after next year (I am one of Mo's biggest fans but it is no secret that he can't sustain the type of play he once had) c) see his other friends retire around him and causes him to call it quits.

I wouldn't mind him playing after that but I just don't see it.
I agree with that. He'll at least play next season unless he gets injured or the team wins the Cup.

He is though in an ideal situation at present. He gets days off when he wants them, he's idolized by the entire organization, gets paid to play a game, is good friends with one of the two GMs, has another good buddy on his third go-around with the team and gets to make sure his wife stays in Dallas where he enjoys year-round golf on nice courses for, presumably, free. I'd take that and do it for as long as I could, regardless of my age.

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02-14-2009, 05:29 AM
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There is a rumor from a Tampa reporter that the Sharks and Lightning are talking about a trade that would include Jeff Halpern.
Everyone is commenting on Halpern's FO %, but why not pick up Gratton who is on waivers (and more likely be on re-entry waivers) for nothing. I know that Halpern is more defensively responsible than Gratton, however, at this point there is no sense picking up Halpern and creating a logjam at C while costing a pick/prospect.

IMO, I'd rather make a play at a defencemen if anything like Leopold. Complimentary but not a major impact guy.

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02-17-2009, 09:39 AM
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In reality, let’s hope they both just watch and only pick up the phone for a team that desperately wants to tank and is looking to dump everyone for anything.

I don’t think it’s too controversial to say this doesn’t look like a Stanley Cup team. Adding a piece here or there probably wouldn’t make it look that way either.

I’d rather bank on them having one or two players elevate their game to new levels in the playoffs (Lundqvist, Ott, Brunnstrom (defensive breakthrough that leads to more ice time), Niskanen). If that happens great, if not then at least they didn’t make a move that cost way too many assets. Does anyone seriously believe Schneider warranted a 2nd and a 3rd? That’s just ugly.

Less talented teams have made the Stanly Cup finals in recent years (Edmonton). Dallas could definitely do it, but they don’t look like a team that a big splash at the deadline would make it happen.
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That was pretty much a panic move by the Habs.
FYI, I moved this discussion because it doesn’t really pertain to the prospect thread.

I agree, but it will still have an effect on the deadline and player values.

For instance, Van Ryn is a guy I wouldn't mind seeing Dallas pick up. IMO, he's a more valuable player than Schneider, but I'd hate if Dallas gave up 2 picks for him.

I think Dallas should shop Perttu Lindgren and a low pick (5th or lower for players) or Sergei Korostin if they get someone that isn't a free agent. I included Korostin because he is more valuable than Lindgren, but losing him in a trade doesn't put much of a dent in Dallas left-shot scoring forwards depth at all.

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02-17-2009, 09:44 AM
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Everyone is commenting on Halpern's FO %, but why not pick up Gratton who is on waivers (and more likely be on re-entry waivers) for nothing. I know that Halpern is more defensively responsible than Gratton, however, at this point there is no sense picking up Halpern and creating a logjam at C while costing a pick/prospect.

IMO, I'd rather make a play at a defencemen if anything like Leopold. Complimentary but not a major impact guy.
Razor says all the time that Dallas needs a right-shot center for faceoffs. I don't know if that is true, but his logic makes sense so I agree.

It's a piece that isn't necessarily required, but Dallas would be a better team if they had that option. Does it need to be Halpern? No. Can they make the playoffs without that luxury? Without a doubt.

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02-17-2009, 11:41 AM
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I think the only way the Stars make a move is if the teams around them fighting for a playoff spot make moves as well. Otherwise, I think they stand pat and maybe, MAYBE, try and add a depth d-man, if anything.

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I think it's important to remember that there's usually a trade that occurs some time out from the deadline, and it doesn't really set the market. It's usually an isolated incident and the product of two teams' negotiations. The market is set on deadline day and immediately prior.

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I will be surprised if the Stars make any move. If they do make a trade it's for someone that is cheap and they give up barely anything.

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It will be quite amusing to see the trade proposal forum now

It will be littered with Dallas proposals for the new few days

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It will be littered with Dallas proposals for the new few days
None of which will happen.

Still don't think we're going to make a single move.

Dallas needs something long term. Not short.

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Mike Comrie for a 4th round pick?

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Mike Comrie for a 4th round pick?
I would do that in a heart beat..

Is comrie a right handed shot?

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Mike Comrie for a 4th round pick?
how about you keep Comrie and the 4th and just send us Hillary Duff.

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