so wait - you brought this guy in to provide both points and leadership, especially in the playoffs and then you'd ship him out with the team on the verge of getting there?
i don't think he's going anywhere. he's the one guy i'd hold onto with this group of kids.
was on the verge... if they don't make a move to either make the defense better or add some kind of scoring this team isn't getting close.
they as of this very second are worse off then last year. and i'm not saying all the teams that made moves got that much better or got better. but some did and some didn't drop backthat much. we have actually fallen back and we didn't make the playoffs. and yes i trade stillman at the deadline it opens up some money. to possibly throw at a high priced free agent. and yes i understand no high price free agent will ever sign here until we are a legitimate playoff team year in and year out
Based on potential (since that's all we have to go by on the Florida side), Dallas makes out in that trade IMO. Markstrom has the potential to be an elite goalie.
He who shall not be named says Vancouver are trying to get Horton for a blueliner and a "top prospect".
Another quick update. I am told that the Canucks are in discussion with the Panthers regarding a deal to bring Horton to Vancouver for a "defenseman and a top prospect."
He who shall not be named says Vancouver are trying to get Horton for a blueliner and a "top prospect".
Another quick update. I am told that the Canucks are in discussion with the Panthers regarding a deal to bring Horton to Vancouver for a "defenseman and a top prospect."
Is Kulikov going to make the team? It looks like he has been playing quite a few games for the Panthers already.
We don't know yet, next game will be huge for him. I don't think he will though, don't think he's quite ready. Koistinen and Skoula are more than capable of filling the 6th and 7th spots. We should probably send him back to junior, it will pay off big time the season after this.
Pierre LeBrun tonight on HNIC mentioned Peter Mueller may be moved due to not getting along with Dave Tippitt. This is a guy who won the ROY in 05-06, and has serious potential. Sexton has been looking for a big centerman. However, you can count on them asking for 1st rd + in return. Although, I would prefer to see them target someone with a little more experience who can inject some leadership, Mueller would certainly add to the young talent the organization has and hopefully some scoring. What could the Panthers afford to give up for a potential first-line center?
Peter Mueller in exchange for '10 1st + Matthias + '10 3rd?
[QUOTE=RatCat20;22246969]Pierre LeBrun tonight on HNIC mentioned Peter Mueller may be moved due to not getting along with Dave Tippitt. This is a guy who won the ROY in 05-06, and has serious potential. Sexton has been looking for a big centerman. However, you can count on them asking for 1st rd + in return. Although, I would prefer to see them target someone with a little more experience who can inject some leadership, Mueller would certainly add to the young talent the organization has and hopefully some scoring. What could the Panthers afford to give up for a potential first-line center?
Peter Mueller in exchange for '10 1st + Matthias + '10 3rd?[/QUOTE]
hell no 1st can be very low this year....just because we're hot doesnt mean we cant screw up. matthias has potential and 3rd rounder as well.....NOPE
I would do a 1st+Matthias. Unless we get a top 3 pick, the 1st will not be helping us significantly for 3-5 years. With the team we have right now, the playoffs are within reach this year. Over this coming offseason, I expect us to supplement the core with actual good players (hoping at least) since the ownership is resolved. Mueller is capable of helping us right now and has some serious offensive talent. He'd probably be our first line center. I would trade Matthias and not look back because though he may become a decent player, I'm not sold on him. Mueller, however, could put up 60-70 points this year and ultimately could be a 90 point player IMO.
On second thought, I saw his stats and the downward trend since his rookie year. I think I'd rather see if we could get a better package for Matthias+. He is really talented, but I don't really know how his play has changed over time or what reasons may be there for his slowing down because I never watch the coyotes.
hell no 1st can be very low this year....just because we're hot doesnt mean we cant screw up. matthias has potential and 3rd rounder as well.....NOPE[/QUOTE]
Really?! I was thinking it wouldn't be enough.
Over the last 5 years, this team hasn't been bad enough to pick lower than 8th. I can't help think this year they'll end up any worse than that, so assume pick 10-14 given they miss the playoffs (hey, I'm just being realistic). Mueller will more than make up for Matthias. Yes, he has potential, but his ceiling isn't nearly as high as Mueller. And the 3rd...when was the last 3rd or 4th rounder that's matter (outside of Campbell). Maybe on another team, but late round draft picks for the Panthers have turned into Dan Collins, Brady Calla, etc.
On second thought, I saw his stats and the downward trend since his rookie year. I think I'd rather see if we could get a better package for Matthias+. He is really talented, but I don't really know how his play has changed over time or what reasons may be there for his slowing down because I never watch the coyotes.
I saw that too. Definitely a risk when trading for a young kid with "potential" (a dangerous word) and no track record. And maybe this knocks down their asking price a bit, who knows? My only thought on his regression is last year might have been a little bit of a sophomore slump, and this year it seems he's not fitting into Tippits defensive system. He's getting third line minutes behind Lang and Hanzel. I think he would do better under DeBoers more aggressive system. Call me crazy, but I think he would help this team out a quite a bit this year.
Robak, Koistinen and a 2nd round pick for Mueller and a 3rd rounder...
The idea of getting Mueller on this team his growing on me... What about adding another great talent to our talent ? We missed on Zherdev and atleast this kis is American !
Think about Jason Spezza when you speak of Peter Mueller...
That would add a lot of talent and size in the middle !
Robak, Koistinen and a 2nd round pick for Mueller and a 3rd rounder...
The idea of getting Mueller on this team his growing on me... What about adding another great talent to our talent ? We missed on Zherdev and atleast this kis is American !
Think about Jason Spezza when you speak of Peter Mueller...
That would add a lot of talent and size in the middle !
First off that's not enough. Second off, Koistinen has negative value, so don't add him to any trades because other teams will not take him.
Robak, Koistinen and a 2nd round pick for Mueller and a 3rd rounder...
The idea of getting Mueller on this team his growing on me... What about adding another great talent to our talent ? We missed on Zherdev and atleast this kis is American !
Think about Jason Spezza when you speak of Peter Mueller...
That would add a lot of talent and size in the middle !
I just looked on the Phoenix board about what they're saying about him and the rumors. It sounds like this kid has lost some heart in the last season and a half. He's scored two goals in the last 44 games. Yikes! It sounds like they haven't lost complete faith in him, but they're on the verge. Sounds similar to our feelings a couple years ago with Horton.
That being said, this is a 21 year old kid who's big, has a ton of talent and probably a little beaten down from being brought up too early. I have faith in him bouncing back in a big way.
Their board is suggesting a top 6 forward in return (ie Cogliano) and a second, or Sobotka and second from Boston. If we continue to stay hot and can end up in the bottom half of the first round in the draft, I think swapping a late 1st and Matthias would get it done.
I'd barely do Matthias + mid round pick for Mueller. Giving up a 1st for him is suicide. Absolute suicide.
Mueller is not going to amount to much. He has the skills, but right now, he is absolutely useless. If watching Nathan Horton annoyed you, then Mueller would be like walking in on your dad giving himself an afternoon treat.
Mueller would be a huge gamble, and a gamble i wouldn't want to take. At this point, i ca name 9 better forwards on the Florida Panthers ... thats how awful his play has been. Sure, his rookie year looks nice, and his DOB looks nice too, but the last year and a half certainly mean more than his nice rookie year.
Peter Mueller is about as good at hockey as i am at being canadian.
Note : 1st round picks are more valuable than ever, and i'd absolutely rather have the #20 pick (for example) than Mueller. Mueller may be in the NHL now, but a good scouting team can turn #20 into a better player than Mueller.
Nevermind top ten. YOU'D HAVE TO BE FREAKIN RETARDED TO DO THAT.
Just a thought. Supposedly Phaneuf is the cause for some off-ice turmoil in the Calgary dressing room which got me to thinking. Phaneuf is an elite offensive d-man who could fill the shoes of Bouw. So how bout:
Horton 7-15-22pts +3 $4.0mil 4 year contract
Ballard 1-7-8pts +1 $4.2mil 6 year contract
Olesz 6-6-12pts -7 $3.125mil 5 year contract
Total contracts $11.325 mil
For
Phaneuf 6-7-13pts +5 $6.5mil 5 year contract
Jokinen 5-15-20pts +2 $5.25 mil 1 year contract
Total contracts $11.750 mil
Rationale for Panthers-Acquire an elite offensive blueliner signed long term. Acquire a big center who was elite and might return to form in Florida. For those who say Jokinen has stunk since leaving Florida, that's true but remember he also stunk for the Kings and Islanders before coming to Florida. It's possible he could only perform as a Star for the Panthers. Don't laugh, it has happened before. Luc Robitaille starred for 8 years with the LA Kings then was traded first to Pittsburgh and then the Rangers. For 3 years for those two teams he wasn't half the player he was in LA.
Then he was traded back to LA and for the next 4 years returned to his previous all-star level of play for the Kings. So it is possible that a return to Florida could lead to a re-birth of Jokinen. But even if it doesn't, his contract expires at the end of the season so you can cast him aside and still have an Elite offensive blueliner in hand and signed long term and the $5.25 mil salary cap spot that Jokinen vacated that you can use in free agency.
Just a thought. Supposedly Phaneuf is the cause for some off-ice turmoil in the Calgary dressing room which got me to thinking. Phaneuf is an elite offensive d-man who could fill the shoes of Bouw. So how bout:
Horton 7-15-22pts +3 $4.0mil 4 year contract
Ballard 1-7-8pts +1 $4.2mil 6 year contract
Olesz 6-6-12pts -7 $3.125mil 5 year contract
Total contracts $11.325 mil
For
Phaneuf 6-7-13pts +5 $6.5mil 5 year contract
Jokinen 5-15-20pts +2 $5.25 mil 1 year contract
Total contracts $11.750 mil
Rationale for Panthers-Acquire an elite offensive blueliner signed long term. Acquire a big center who was elite and might return to form in Florida. For those who say Jokinen has stunk since leaving Florida, that's true but remember he also stunk for the Kings and Islanders before coming to Florida. It's possible he could only perform as a Star for the Panthers. Don't laugh, it has happened before. Luc Robitaille starred for 8 years with the LA Kings then was traded first to Pittsburgh and then the Rangers. For 3 years for those two teams he wasn't half the player he was in LA.
Then he was traded back to LA and for the next 4 years returned to his previous all-star level of play for the Kings. So it is possible that a return to Florida could lead to a re-birth of Jokinen. But even if it doesn't, his contract expires at the end of the season so you can cast him aside and still have an Elite offensive blueliner in hand and signed long term and the $5.25 mil salary cap spot that Jokinen vacated that you can use in free agency.
Horton has finally turned the corner. He is our best forward. We are not trading him. Plus, Phaneuf isn't that good defensively and Jokinen is no longer welcome here.
I can't see anyone taking on Olesz's contract. Maybe Montreal.
