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02-07-2009, 11:41 AM
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Freedom of Speech At MSG Arena?

I am having someone make a Fire Renney Shirt for the next game. Will I be thrown out? And if so how are they allowed to do so under the first amendment. All law students please jump in.

Remember that whole mess with that kid and the Fire Isiah?

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I am having someone make a Fire Renney Shirt for the next game. Will I be thrown out? And if so how are they allowed to do so under the first amendment. All law students please jump in.

Remember that whole mess with that kid and the Fire Isiah?
Just start up a chant.

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Its MSG's establishment and property. They can refuse you admission or kick you out for almost anything they want.

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The 1st Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you can be thrown off of private property. It doesn't take a law student to tell you that, if you took 8th grade Government you should know that.

EDIT: But to answer your question, they can throw you out for just about ANYTHING other than race, creed, sexual orientation, religion, etc.


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Isn't there some type of loophole about MSG being private property? They pay no taxes.

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The 1st Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you can be thrown off of private property. It doesn't take a law student to tell you that, if you took 8th grade Government you should know that.

True, however, this is New York City. The "fear of the potential law suit" (even a flimsy one) trumps all. There is no way he gets refused admission over a Fire Renney shirt.

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I dont think you would get kicked out, wouldnt they just let you take it off if they were upset by it?

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True, however, this is New York City. The "fear of the potential law suit" (even a flimsy one) trumps all. There is no way he gets refused admission over a Fire Renney shirt.
Well yes, I agree with you about being refused admission. However if he is obnoxiously chanting "Fire Renney" throughout the whole game he will undoubtedly be tossed. The frightening part isn't that someone thinks wearing a shirt like that will make a bit of difference, it's that every young American thinks that the 1st Amendment gives them the right to walk into wherever they want and spout off whatever they want. It doesn't work that way. How about everyone tries reading The Constitution once before they start claiming it as their means of protection.

I'm sorry to go off on the OP here, but misreadings of the 1st Amendment are one of my biggest pet peeves.

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Rink, before you go all zealot and crazy why don't you research some of the parties protected by the CLU regarding the modern interpretation of the first amendment. The point of the first amendment is to protect all speech, including written up to a point where it becomes dangerous either to the party speeking or another party.

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And the what is just one guy with a shirt gonna do attitude - well that's why people don't vote and look whats happeend.

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Rink, before you go all zealot and crazy why don't you research some of the parties protected by the CLU regarding the modern interpretation of the first amendment. The point of the first amendment is to protect all speech, including written up to a point where it becomes dangerous either to the party speeking or another party.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. If the Rangers don't want you in their building chanting "FIRE RENNEY", they are well within their legal rights to remove you. Read the back of the ticket, you basically have no rights as far as freedom of speech are concerned.

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So if one person starts a chant that then the whole arena chants by your logic we would all be thrown out?

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doubt the security guards know who renny is

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So if one person starts a chant that then the whole arena chants by your logic we would all be thrown out?
Did I say that? No, I didn't. I said they are well within their rights to throw every single person out of that arena. Would it be intelligent? Hell no, because it would cause a media **** storm and cost them thousands of dollars in concessions. However it is within their rights to do so.

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they won't throw you out unless you are a complete A-hole

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Just wear a sweat shirt over it. Take it off when you get in. I doubt they'd throw you out, but you never know.

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if you're going to be cool enough to wear a shirt like that then be cool enough to wear it with pride. Otherwise don't bother.

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I am having someone make a Fire Renney Shirt for the next game. Will I be thrown out? And if so how are they allowed to do so under the first amendment. All law students please jump in.

Remember that whole mess with that kid and the Fire Isiah?
You pay to come in. You agree to their terms of service. You're on their property. Freedom of Speech does not apply.

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A friend of mine got kicked out of a Yankees game for wearing a "Yankees suck" shirt. MSG might act the same. I would just wear a shirt under the Renney one, just in case. Otherwise, start up a chant and make sure its VERY loud and VERY prolonged.

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i don't understand how freedom of speech does not apply on USA soil.

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i don't understand how freedom of speech does not apply on USA soil.
Because you are on private property. The owner has the right to have their own rules — which you agree to when you buy a ticket and enter the gates.
Now, I don't think you'd get tossed for starting a Fire Renney chant, but Freedom of Speech is not relevant.

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Muzz Must Go

Freedom of speech is generally well tolerated at The Garden. Years ago when Muzz Patrick was coaching the Rangers, the cheer "Muzz Must Go" was deafening at times. Ultimately he went. When referee Bill Friday screwed the Rangers a couple of times, "Friday is a Bum" became a staple cheer.

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Because you are on private property. The owner has the right to have their own rules — which you agree to when you buy a ticket and enter the gates.
Now, I don't think you'd get tossed for starting a Fire Renney chant, but Freedom of Speech is not relevant.
Thank you. Perhaps you can get that through his head, because obviously I wasn't.

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Thank you. Perhaps you can get that through his head, because obviously I wasn't.
Well who knows what the constitution even stands for anymore our own supreme court/government can't figure it out - good thing we have RinkOnEStreet to tell us all.

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I think the OP has been addressed.

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