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02-06-2009, 12:48 PM
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EK: Rangers looking into Vinny Lecavalier

Yeah yeah yea I know E3

Is it worth it? What would you deem the return to Tampa for a truly ELITE forward?

Have to figure Gomez/Drury is part of the package

Plus

Staal? Dubi? Grachev? Sanguinetti? Picks?

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As I said in the trade rumor board, without Staal, this team's defense goes into the toilet.

No doubt other teams can put together a better package and I really don't see the point if Gomez is going the other way. I thought the idea of trading Vinny was to clear salary?

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As I said in the trade rumor board, without Staal, this team's defense goes into the toilet.

No doubt other teams can put together a better package and I really don't see the point if Gomez is going the other way. I thought the idea of trading Vinny was to clear salary?
Yup...

Staal is untouchable, even for Vinny.

Teams would die for a #1 dman like we will have with Staal for the next 10+ years hopefully.

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As I said in the trade rumor board, without Staal, this team's defense goes into the toilet.

No doubt other teams can put together a better package and I really don't see the point if Gomez is going the other way. I thought the idea of trading Vinny was to clear salary?
They clear 3 mill ?

Or turn Vinny into Gomez and Staal.


Id pass on Vinny at that $$$, but that Elite talent is tempting.

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If TB is trading Vinny then there is no way they take back a guy with a worse contract in Gomez or Drury. We'd have to give up Staal and then figure out a way to move one of Gomez/Drury to another team. Like usually the wonderul Eklund doesn't allow something simple like reality to jump into his fantasy world. Something tells me that Eklund is like Tatoo on Fantasy Island "Zee trade boss, zee trade".

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Anyone but Henrik and Marc and the deal is done. I'd be willing to part with a couple of firsts, Gomez or Redden, Dubi, and Sangs or MDZ.

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They clear 3 mill ?

Or turn Vinny into Gomez and Staal.


Id pass on Vinny at that $$$, but that Elite talent is tempting.

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I think Vinny only makes half a mil more per year (cap hit wise), but I guess they save money in the long run. Maybe it makes more sense than I thought initially.

Still, realistically you're looking at Gomez, Staal and a first this year as a starting point. You'd probably have to include one of Sanguinetti or MDZ to combat Montreal's apparent willingness to gut their entire roster to acquire Vinny.

As good as Vinny is, I just can't wrap my head around Staal going to another team. He's going to be the best d-man this team has had since Brian Leetch. Hell, he's probably that already.

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Why would Tampa Bay send out LeCavalier to us and take on Gomezs/Reddens contract which is only about a mil shy from Vinnys.

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Why would Tampa Bay send out LeCavalier to us and take on Gomezs/Reddens contract which is only about a mil shy from Vinnys.
Half the term?

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Garbage, ask yourself this, why would you trade one of the best players in the league for one of Gomez or Drury? Bingo, it's complete and utter ********

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Half the term?
Plus when you consider the actual payment of the players, Lecavalier is just about to hit a stretch of three years where he's being paid $10 million. Gomez' contract gets him paid 8, 7.5, and 5 million. I'm not sure what the financial situation is in Tampa, but they'd definitely be saving a lot of cash by taking on Gomez.

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I'm sure every team in the NHL is looking into Lecavalier. Doesn't mean a serious offer will be put forward.

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I'm so sick of Lecavalier rumors.

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Garbage, ask yourself this, why would you trade one of the best players in the league for one of Gomez or Drury? Bingo, it's complete and utter ********
The move clearly isn't fueled by talent. Vinny is one of the best in the game, so why trade him at all unless it's an issue of money?

They'd be swapping 85 mil over the next 11 years, for 33.5 mil over the next 5. That's over 50 million dollars back in the pocket of the owners. That's huge.

Not to mention they get a future 1st pairing d-man, a first round pick in a very deep draft, and most likely an additional prospect in return for one guy.

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As I said in the trade rumor board, without Staal, this team's defense goes into the toilet.

No doubt other teams can put together a better package and I really don't see the point if Gomez is going the other way. I thought the idea of trading Vinny was to clear salary?
Out of curiosity, would you make

Drury, Staal, Sangunetti, 1st

for

Lecavalier

trade in the offseason?


If your worry is we are trading a our #1 defenseman (although i think Rozsival helps Staal an awful lot.) would you do it in the offseason?

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id do it...this team needs scoring, im sick of this team playing defensive and not getting anything to show for it....package staal with dubi or staal with gomez for vinny..then deal for svatos or somehow get avery...we have DZ and Bobby Sang coming up in the wings, with anisimov and PAP up and coming leading 4 and 5th in the AHL in scoring

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I mentioned this on the trade board, but was there not a time that ****** (I won't write his name and contribute to his search hits) rumors were banned on this board? If not, can we institute a Rangers board policy banning them? I hate hearing about this crap.

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The move clearly isn't fueled by talent. Vinny is one of the best in the game, so why trade him at all unless it's an issue of money?

They'd be swapping 85 mil over the next 11 years, for 33.5 mil over the next 5. That's over 50 million dollars back in the pocket of the owners. That's huge.

Not to mention they get a future 1st pairing d-man, a first round pick in a very deep draft, and most likely an additional prospect in return for one guy.
I agree with what you're saying about the cash the owners would save, but I think other teams can offer up something better/cheaper for Vinny.

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I don't make that trade. I'm not saying that more would have to be given up, but for the Rangers, it's just too much. That trade gets the team its number one centerman, great. It loses Staal, who I disagree with you on as Staal has had way too many good games, even when Rozsival was struggling. I think Staal's had his share of gaffes this season and has slumped on occasion, but I think the kid has a ways to go since he's only around 21.

The first round pick is a killer too. This team still lacks young talent that aren't grinders and 5/6 defensemen. Same for Sangs.

If you took Staal out and changed the first to a second, then perhaps I'd listen, but I doubt Tampa would listen.

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I mentioned this on the trade board, but was there not a time that ****** (I won't write his name and contribute to his search hits) rumors were banned on this board? If not, can we institute a Rangers board policy banning them? I hate hearing about this crap.
And ban anything from *********** too, complete garbage they post. I remember back during the Friday of the Canadian Thanksgiving they reported Shanny re-signed with the Rangers, not that they were talking they reported done deal, then as the weekend went on they kept making up stuff about how the signing would take more time then they never got back to the situation. They post garbage non-sense like eklund too, that's basically my point.

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IF Vinny goes any where, it will be to Montreal......

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Out of curiosity, would you make

Drury, Staal, Sangunetti, 1st

for

Lecavalier

trade in the offseason?


If your worry is we are trading a our #1 defenseman (although i think Rozsival helps Staal an awful lot.) would you do it in the offseason?
I don't know. Despite Vinny's tremendous talent, it's an awful lot to give up. Staal makes his fair share of mistakes, but playing against the best forwards in the world night after night is damn impressive. Take his age into account, and it's even more impressive.

It's not so much the timing of the deal that bothers me, it's the long-term impact of doing so. It really comes down to Staal being such a large part of our future on the back-end. If I thought we had the means to fill his role on the blue-line, it might make the deal more feasible.

I'd also prefer to move Gomez over Drury, but if that was the difference between getting a deal done, I'd be less partisan. I think Drury, despite the criticism, provides more than Gomez.

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I have no idea how this would be remotely possible, but man would I love to have this guy on the team.

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I agree with what you're saying about the cash the owners would save, but I think other teams can offer up something better/cheaper for Vinny.
You're probably right, I don't think we'd be on Tampa's short list when it came to the offer, but it does at least make some sense in the long-run.

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I'd do it. Only if it was...

Gomez
Prucha
Voros
Pissmiller
Kalinin
5th round pick

for Vinny L.

basically our garbage for a salary dump I'm guessing on T.Bays POV.

It would then be easier for T.Bay to deal everybody except Gomez and just use him as the #1 Center.

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