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02-05-2009, 02:28 PM
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Two Proposals: PHX and NYI as well as PHX and PIT...

To NYI:
Nick Ross

To PHX:
Doug Weight
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To PIT:
Enver Lisin
David Hale

To PHX:
Alex Goligoski
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Nick Ross was our second first round pick, two drafts ago. We took Turris early in the first, and Ross later in the same round. He's a WHL defenseman. A two-way defender with good size and mobility. He puts up points and likes to hit. Just recently traded to the Vancouver Giants, he has put up ten points in thirteen games there. He seems to be developing quite nicely. Just recently taken in the first round, I would think he's only increased in value, as he is closer to the NHL now, than he was at that point. I consider him a very good prospect. Probably equal in value to a mid first rounder in this year's draft.

All of the other players in the proposals shouldn't require introduction. Most know the story on Lisin, and Goligoski. All of us know Doug Weight. David Hale, is just a reserve defenseman, included only to make room for Goligoski. The Coyotes simply can't afford to carry eight defenseman, and Hale being on a one way makes it entirely out of the question for Phoenix to send him down. A team on the edge of financial ruin cannot afford the luxury of paying a guy in the AHL an NHL salary. It won't happen. The Penguins should have a spot for him, with Goligoski heading to Phoenix.


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It looks oddly familiar. I like both deals. You are godly amoungst trade proposers.

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I have a slight man-crush on Lisin, so as a Pens fan I'd do it. Maybe throw in a mid-round draft pick coming to Pittsburgh?

Good value though, imo.

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I don't really see the point with the first trade. We shouldn't be overly worried about the results this year, and I wouldnt want to trade a young kid for an old guy especially with our thin defense.

The 2nd, Im not sold on Goligoski, but getting rid of hale is a priority. Not thrilled getting rid of Lisin either since we have a shortage on natural wingers right now. The value is probably pretty good though.

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To NYI:
Nick Ross

To PHX:
Doug Weight
As a fan of the Islanders I'm interested in getting Nick Ross. He seems like a decent prospect and Islanders lack good defensemen in their prospect pool, specially ones with decent size who play physical. The proposal certainly is fair, but Islanders may ask for a mid round draftpick aswell. Don't think Weight will (want to) get traded though.

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As a fan of the Islanders I'm interested in getting Nick Ross. He seems like a decent prospect and Islanders lack good defensemen in their prospect pool, specially ones with decent size who play physical. The proposal certainly is fair, but Islanders may ask for a mid round draftpick aswell. Don't think Weight will (want to) get traded though.
While it doesn't seem like much why would a mid-round pick need to be included? You think you'd get more than a 1st for Weight at this point in his career?

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I don't really see the point with the first trade. We shouldn't be overly worried about the results this year...
Really? I would think that in our financial situation, making the playoffs would be an absolulte godsend. All of the revenue is would generate, with no player payroll, not to mention the increased fan interest in a team that is finally winning. As opposed to what yet another losing season, and another total meltdown at the end of the year would result in, attendance-wise. Plus, we're looking for someone who wants to buy this team and keep it in Glendale. I'm thinking it would be much easier to find a person interested in a winning team, with a local buzz than a losing team, that's a total black sheep, locally. To me, there should be plenty of worry concerning the outcome of this season.

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As a fan of the Islanders I'm interested in getting Nick Ross. He seems like a decent prospect and Islanders lack good defensemen in their prospect pool, specially ones with decent size who play physical. The proposal certainly is fair, but Islanders may ask for a mid round draftpick aswell. Don't think Weight will (want to) get traded though.
That reminds me of something I should've mentioned. I doubt the Coyotes would have much interest in re-signing Weight. They'd probably just stick with the more familiar, younger, and likely much cheaper Reinpecht. That, or let both walk. In my mind, as part of the proposal, Phoenix could agree to let Weight walk as a UFA. We'll could even throw in negotiation rights. The Isles are free to negotiate with Weight just as soon as their season is over, and as soon as the league will allow it.

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Another thing I should mention is that these proposal are for RIGHT NOW, and not for the deadline. Phoenix is in a tailspin, at the moment, and the primary reason, without a doubt, is our power play. Weight and Goligoski are meant to resuscitate our seized up man advantage, and before we totally blow our chances at the post season.

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To NYI:
Nick Ross

To PHX:
Doug Weight
Every day I'm hustlin'

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To PIT:
Enver Lisin
David Hale

To PHX:
Alex Goligoski

YES! i like it!. Pittsburgh would need to throw in a mid-round pick though.

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Every day I'm hustlin'
Does this have a meaning of some kind. Are you implying one of the two teams is being hustled by the other? Which?

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To PIT:
Enver Lisin
David Hale

To PHX:
Alex Goligoski

YES! i like it!. Pittsburgh would need to throw in a mid-round pick though.
I think PHX would since we're talking Hale off of their hands.

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I'm going to guess Doug Weight is not an option for Phoenix.

His cap hit is $4.3m, but that breaks down to $1.75m salary and $2.55m in bonus clauses.

I think it's impossible he's met any of the bonus triggers yet, but they are probably all still achievable. If he were to trigger those conditions after being traded to Phoenix I believe the Coyotes would be fully on the hook for the bonus payments.

Meaning Phoenix could potentially be on the hook for over $3mil in payroll for Weight if they acquired him now. (he could have a payroll hit higher than his cap value for the team he's traded to)


edit: Thinking a bit further, it looks like Phoenix is going to be getting extra $ back from the NHL when(if) the player escrow refund triggers hard at the end of the season. Adding Weight's contract right now would cause the team to lose about $1.5m of that refund, meaning adding Weight could potentially have a bottom line cost of over $4.5m to Phoenix for just playing 1/3rd of the season. Wow.


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if pens do this deal, i hope they waive hale and hope someone claims cz I don't think we need him. Also they should look at an upgrade from gill/eaton if they want to make a run at the playoffs, they are absolutely brutal

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I'm going to guess Doug Weight is not an option for Phoenix.

His cap hit is $4.3m, but that breaks down to $1.75m salary and $2.55m in bonus clauses.

I think it's impossible he's met any of the bonus triggers yet, but they are probably all still achievable. If he were to trigger those conditions after being traded to Phoenix I believe the Coyotes would be fully on the hook for the bonus payments.

Meaning Phoenix could potentially be on the hook for over $3mil in payroll for Weight if they acquired him now. (he could have a payroll hit higher than his cap value for the team he's traded to)


edit: Thinking a bit further, it looks like Phoenix is going to be getting extra $ back from the NHL when(if) the player escrow refund triggers hard at the end of the season. Adding Weight's contract right now would cause the team to lose about $1.5m of that refund, meaning adding Weight could potentially have a bottom line cost of over $4.5m to Phoenix for just playing 1/3rd of the season. Wow.
I don't understand any of this, but if it is the case, than we can just go ahead and forget about it. I only considered Weight because his actual salary is so low. I didn't know about the bonuses. I still don't get the refund part, but whatever. The bonuses part is enough to make it a no go.

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How exactly is Dougy an upgrade on anything we have? He's not exactly an offensive juggernaut on the powerplay. 5minutes/game and 5 whole pp goals. Him and Streit are anchoring an equally inept powerplay for the Islanders. Don't see him doing anything to fix ours. Also, hes a center. We have lots of those.

As for making the playoffs, well obviously making them would be a good thing financially. I'm just not in the mood for selling off young kids with potential for redundant players for the short term. The coyotes window is the next 2-3 years. Not this one. Trading young kids for pieces that won't be around then is stupid whether we make the playoffs to get swept or not.

I'm confident enough that the coyotes will be here next year.

As for goligoski, I don't see where he fits or how hes an upgrade over Yandle. I don't like our defensive pairings if hes in the lineup.


If we want to run for the playoffs, acquiring a scoring winger/pp guy would be better, and one that will be here in 2 years when we will be contending. I'm glad you want to improved the team, but these guys aren't worth it.

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How exactly is Dougy an upgrade on anything we have? He's not exactly an offensive juggernaut on the powerplay. 5minutes/game and 5 whole pp goals. Him and Streit are anchoring an equally inept powerplay for the Islanders. Don't see him doing anything to fix ours. Also, hes a center. We have lots of those.

As for making the playoffs, well obviously making them would be a good thing financially. I'm just not in the mood for selling off young kids with potential for redundant players for the short term. The coyotes window is the next 2-3 years. Not this one. Trading young kids for pieces that won't be around then is stupid whether we make the playoffs to get swept or not.

I'm confident enough that the coyotes will be here next year.

As for goligoski, I don't see where he fits or how hes an upgrade over Yandle. I don't like our defensive pairings if hes in the lineup.


If we want to run for the playoffs, acquiring a scoring winger/pp guy would be better, and one that will be here in 2 years when we will be contending. I'm glad you want to improved the team, but these guys aren't worth it.
There is much here I strongly disagree with, but thanks to Mouser and his knowledge, I'm not really interested in burning any more calories on this.

Sorry for the wasted bandwidth everybody.

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Does this have a meaning of some kind. Are you implying one of the two teams is being hustled by the other? Which?

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I would take the Pittsburgh deal.

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That's a very good Islander deal. Shows exactly what both teams need. I'd take that

EDIT: If the Coyotes actually don't need Weight, as mouser mentioned, would you take any interest in Comrie or Witt for Ross? Witt would cost you a little more than Weight since he is signed long-term.

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That's a very good Islander deal. Shows exactly what both teams need. I'd take that

EDIT: If the Coyotes actually don't need Weight, as mouser mentioned, would you take any interest in Comrie or Witt for Ross? Witt would cost you a little more than Weight since he is signed long-term.
I don't want Comrie. We've already played that square dance. Witt, maybe.

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Good, realistic proposals RT.

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The Pens proposal is pretty good. Phx would proably have to add a middle rounder because Gogo has the about the same stats as Lisin as a defenseman.

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The Pens proposal is pretty good. Phx would proably have to add a middle rounder because Gogo has the about the same stats as Lisin as a defenseman.
....but, but, but...they already added Hale.

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