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2009 Hart Trophy Winner?

View Poll Results: 2009 Hart Trophy Will Go To.....
Alexander Ovechkin 112 65.12%
Joe Thornton 5 2.91%
Tim Thomas 10 5.81%
Andrei Markov 1 0.58%
Pavel Datsyuk 6 3.49%
Other 38 22.09%
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02-06-2009, 03:51 PM
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2009 Hart Trophy Winner?

Less than 30 games left.

To not dilute the poll too much, I put up only 5 nominees and the Other option.


I did not include Crosby nor Malkin.

Penguins are 10th in East, and that team is loaded.

The fact Crosby and Malkin play on the same team reduces both.

Sorry.


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I'm not seeing a poll?

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Even as a Caps fan, I think it's a little premature to leave both Malkin and Crosby off the list... still a ways to go in the season.

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1. Ovechkin
2. THornton
3. Malkin
4. Getzlaf
5. Iginla
6. Chara
7. Datsyuk

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It's a two horse race between Malkin and Ovechkin.

We'll see how it turns out.

EDIT: Malkin is not on the poll? Is that a joke?

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Even as a Caps fan, I think it's a little premature to leave both Malkin and Crosby off the list... still a ways to go in the season.

Notice Malkin has Crosby, Crosby has Malkin.

And their team is 10th......

I'm sorry I don't see either with a good chance at the Hart.

Especially seeing the other candidates and what they're doing.

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It's a two horse race between Malkin and Ovechkin.

We'll see how it turns out.
How so?

Washington is 2nd in East, Ovechkin leads in goals and 3rd in points and is far ahead all his teamates.

Malkin has Crosby and his team is 10th....and he has 24 goals...

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Notice Malkin has Crosby, Crosby has Malkin.

And their team is 10th......

I'm sorry I don't see either with a good chance at the Hart.

Especially seeing the other candidates and what they're doing.


The NHL's number one and two scorers don't have a good chance at winning the Hart?

Crosby doesn't, you're probably right, but all homerism aside, it's a total ****ing joke that Malkin is not on the poll.

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Notice Malkin has Crosby, Crosby has Malkin.

And their team is 10th......

I'm sorry I don't see either with a good chance at the Hart.

Especially seeing the other candidates and what they're doing.
I'm not sure I agree with that logic. Say one or the other just catches fire a la Ovechkin last year and leads his team to a ridiculous finish and a decent playoff berth. There's no way you could rule that guy out, whichever it may be.

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How so?

Washington is 2nd in East, Ovechkin leads in goals and 3rd in points and is far ahead all his teamates.

Malkin has Crosby and his team is 10th....and he has 24 goals...
http://www.nhl.com/ice/app?component...service=direct

That alone puts them in contention, regardless of what else happens.

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The NHL's number one and two scorers don't have a good chance at winning the Hart?

Crosby doesn't, you're probably right, but all homerism aside, it's a total ****ing joke that Malkin is not on the poll.

Consider history and get off the points race.

Art Ross doesn't automatically= Hart Trophy.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

The only way Malkin had a chance winning the Hart on a non playoff team is if he was miles ahead in every stat category, which he isn't, again, 24 goals to Ovechkin's 37 and may I remidn the Caps are 2nd in the East.

No, if Penguins miss playoffs or come in 8th, Tim Thomas will get more votes.

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I'm not sure I agree with that logic. Say one or the other just catches fire a la Ovechkin last year and leads his team to a ridiculous finish and a decent playoff berth. There's no way you could rule that guy out, whichever it may be.
Yeah, really.

The Caps came one game away from missing the playoffs.

You mean that Ovechkin wouldn't have won the Hart if not for that?

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Less than 30 games left.

To not dilute the poll too much, I put up only 5 nominees and the Other option.


I did not include Crosby nor Malkin.

Penguins are 10th in East, and that team is loaded.

The fact Crosby and Malkin play on the same team reduces both.

Sorry.


No Malkin, and this thread is a total waste of time.

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Completely defeats the purpose to leave Malkin off.

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Consider history and get off the points race.

Art Ross doesn't automatically= Hart Trophy.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

The only way Malkin had a chance winning the Hart on a non playoff team is if he was miles ahead in every stat category, which he isn't, again, 24 goals to Ovechkin's 37 and may I remidn the Caps are 2nd in the East.

No, if Penguins miss playoffs or come in 8th, Tim Thomas will get more votes.
Okay, since I'm clearly not going to be able to reason with you here, I'll just say this and stop getting worked up over something pointless.

Watch the highlights of the Pens vs. Bolts on Wednesday night, and then tell me that Malkin isn't one of the most valuable players in the league.

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Yeah, really.

The Caps came one game away from missing the playoffs.

You mean that Ovechkin wouldn't have won the Hart if not for that?
You cannot compare Malkin's current season with Ovechkin's last season.

Not...even...close

Ovechkin was burning everyone in goals last season and beat out Malkin in points.

Malkin meanwhile is far below Ovechkin in goals and has CROSBY on his team.

Where's Ovechkin's Crosby?

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Okay, since I'm clearly not going to be able to reason with you here, I'll just say this and stop getting worked up over something pointless.

Watch the highlights of the Pens vs. Bolts on Wednesday night, and then tell me that Malkin isn't one of the most valuable players in the league.
There's more than 1 game in a season.....................

For those arguing for Crosby/Malkin.

Let the poll do the job.

In assumption that most of the Other votes will be for Malkin/Crosby.

And see how that goes.

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There's more than 1 game in a season.....................

For those arguing for Crosby/Malkin.

Let the poll do the job.

In assumption that most of the Other votes will be for Malkin/Crosby.

And see how that goes.
You're right.

Malkin has done it all season long for his team.

I'm not even saying one way or another who should win, but it's just funny that Malkin isn't on the poll.

And in your other post where you ask, "Where's Ovechkin's Crosby," don't pretend that Backstrom and Green as a puck mover are big slouches.

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Yeah, really.

The Caps came one game away from missing the playoffs.

You mean that Ovechkin wouldn't have won the Hart if not for that?
That's what all the noise was about last year. "If the Caps make the playoffs it's Ovechkin. If not, ______."

If Malkin scores 45-50 points in 29 games and the Pens finish 5-6 in the East (still completely within reason, although perhaps not likely), I'm not sure even the biggest Ovechkin homers will be able to justify taking it away from Malkin. Same if it's Crosby. In fact, it would only make their case stronger.

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malkin, getzlaf and mason should be options.

i would include marleau instead of thornton.

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How is there no Malkin or Mason?

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That's what all the noise was about last year. "If the Caps make the playoffs it's Ovechkin. If not, ______."

If Malkin scores 45-50 points in 29 games and the Pens finish 5-6 in the East (still completely within reason, although perhaps not likely), I'm not sure even the biggest Ovechkin homers will be able to justify taking it away from Malkin. Same if it's Crosby. In fact, it would only make their case stronger.
I would vote for Ovechkin over Crosby, this year.

Crosby hasn't piggybacked off Malkin, but Malkin has been by far the Pens' best player this year, and Ovechkin is only one point back of him while largely playing better hockey.

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all I will say is last year the sentiment was that if CAPS did not make the playoffs then Ovechkin shouldn't be in consideration for the Hart. So the same should go for any other player. That being said if Pens get hot and make the playoffs the Hart is Malkins to lose, unless by some for reason another player can catch him in points which with the lead he has now baring injury doesn't seem possible.

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Malkin will finish no lower than 2nd in Hart voting.

Of course it is possible (maybe even likely) that Crosby hurts his chances.

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If the Pens miss the playoffs Malkin has 0 shot at the Hart. The Hart is awarded to the player deemed most valuable to his team, not the best player. If the Pens miss the playoffs Malkin is no more valuable to his team then Rob Scuderi.

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