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02-08-2009, 02:01 PM
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They can't afford Kubina's contract next year. It has to be a guy with an expiring contract or a low cap hit.

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Krejci, Kessel, Bergeron for Antropov, Ponikorovsky, Kubina

All seriousness, I don't see these two as good trading partners.

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Seriously? Unless that "marlie player" is Luke Schenn, how on gods green earth does it make sense to give away the best statistical goalie in the NHL this season? Are you kidding me?
I believe that Marlie player was MArk Bell lmao

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I wonder what would appease you Boston fans? You are in a cup run here and you can't trade some young assets for for players who could put you over the top?

As for the fernadez being worth Schenn..... geez that just sillyness.
Any NHL goalie playing for Bos this year will have good stats and while Fernadez is a good goalie he isn't the second coming of Patrick Roy. He would be a good pick up for a team who needs a starter, but he won't be getting you a franchise d-man or superstar player.

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02-08-2009, 03:53 PM
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I wonder what would appease you Boston fans? You are in a cup run here and you can't trade some young assets for for players who could put you over the top?

As for the fernadez being worth Schenn..... geez that just sillyness.
Any NHL goalie playing for Bos this year will have good stats and while Fernadez is a good goalie he isn't the second coming of Patrick Roy. He would be a good pick up for a team who needs a starter, but he won't be getting you a franchise d-man or superstar player.
Saying he's worth Schenn is just about as "sillyness" as saying he has negative value, don't ya think?

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02-08-2009, 03:55 PM
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For Bruins fans, I've seen that on your board a few times that you guys have interest in St.Louis...would you guys every consider Kobasew, Lashoff and a 1st for him...or would it be a massive overrpayment in your perspectives?

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02-08-2009, 03:59 PM
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For Bruins fans, I've seen that on your board a few times that you guys have interest in St.Louis...would you guys every consider Kobasew, Lashoff and a 1st for him...or would it be a massive overrpayment in your perspectives?
I'd love that for this year, but we'd be screwed in the offseason.

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02-08-2009, 04:00 PM
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Would not be shocked if the Bruins moved Fernandez at the deadline. Thomas is the guy and Rask should be able to back up and do it quite well.

As for Kubina, the Bruins can't afford any deals past this season, as they are at about 43 mil next year already, and have to sign Krejci, Kessel, Thomas and call up Rask....

Look for the Bruins to look at Schneider, Kuba, Neil, Tkachuk and maybe Guerin all for picks or young guys like Nokelainen, Bitz, Lashoff and Karsums.

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I'd love that for this year, but we'd be screwed in the offseason.
...I want to go on a mission and do a potential rebuild Tampa...see what teams offer what and do a fantasy rebuild.

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02-08-2009, 04:23 PM
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For Bruins fans, I've seen that on your board a few times that you guys have interest in St.Louis...would you guys every consider Kobasew, Lashoff and a 1st for him...or would it be a massive overrpayment in your perspectives?
Not an expiring contract, so it couldn't be worked in unless the same money went back out.

When you talk about 5 mill plus players Boston has 4 options, move Chara in the deal, move Savard in the deal, move Bergeron in the deal, or move a combination of players in the deal to make up the salary (then you have to factor in replacement costs as well).

There are only a handful of players I would consider moving one of those three guys for (I don't see the package as a viable option pre-playoffs less your talking Sturm plus, and who would have interest in Sturm), and I don't think St Louis is one of them.

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02-08-2009, 04:25 PM
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maybe something with ian white going the other way. white has been one of our best dmen this season

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Bruins can't afford Kubina. They might be interested in Antropov or Ponikarovsky, depending on the price. Beyond that, maybe players that can fit into a lesser role, but definitely not anybody who adds a lot of salary next year.
unless you guys want Ryder.....

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02-08-2009, 07:02 PM
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maybe something with ian white going the other way. white has been one of our best dmen this season
How does he address a need for the Bruins though?

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02-08-2009, 07:06 PM
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How does he address a need for the Bruins though?
Somebody said the Bruins needed a top four defenceman.

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Somebody said the Bruins needed a top four defenceman.
Well, yeah, but it would have to be an upgrade over our current defensemen. White is better then which of the following?

Chara, Wideman, Ward, Ference, Stuart, Hunwick?

I'd take all of our top 4 over him, and our bottom pairing as well right now. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate White... and he may be an upgrade on the bottom pairing... but I don't see him as a "clear" upgrade on anyone there let alone a legit top 4 on our team. Not enough to give up what it would cost IMO.

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I wouldn't mind getting White. He's kinda lost in the fold with Kubina and Kaberle there. He'd probably be an upgrade over Hnidy and maybe Hunwick and I'd really want to see him on the point and Bergy down low.

What would he cost?

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I wouldn't mind getting White. He's kinda lost in the fold with Kubina and Kaberle there. He'd probably be an upgrade over Hnidy and maybe Hunwick and I'd really want to see him on the point and Bergy down low.

What would he cost?
Hes young, cheap, plays with a lot of heart and recently has been showing a talent for getting under the skin of opponents. I really would like to think that he wouldn't go cheap, but he is a really difficult player to judge the value of because who knows where he would fit in on a playoff team.

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Well, yeah, but it would have to be an upgrade over our current defensemen. White is better then which of the following?

Chara, Wideman, Ward, Ference, Stuart, Hunwick?
I would say right now Hunwick, Ward, and Stuart. Ference is fairly close, but I'd say he's better. Regardless of where you rank them, defensive depth never hurts coming into the playoffs.

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02-08-2009, 07:15 PM
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Seriously? Unless that "marlie player" is Luke Schenn, how on gods green earth does it make sense to give away the best statistical goalie in the NHL this season? Are you kidding me?
Good thing you play hockey Nikita, because you dont seem to understand the new NHL.

Capspace is a commodity in the new NHL. The Maple Leafs have capspace, the Bruins do not.

Fernandez has Boston on the hook for $4.75 million with a cap hit of $4.333 million to backup Thomas. He is also a free agent at the end of the season that the Bruins have no interest of resigning. Why would they, Rask is waiting in the wings.

If the Leafs were to take on Fernandez's salary and cap hit at the expense of a midling pick, suddenly Boston has room to make a move for a rental if they so choose.

You still with me or did the mention of caps and salary lose you?

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I would say right now Hunwick, Ward, and Stuart. Ference is fairly close, but I'd say he's better. Regardless of where you rank them, defensive depth never hurts coming into the playoffs.
Ward is better then Ference right now, and an underrated contributor on the Bruins. I wouldn't rank White over him at all.

We have:

Chara, Ward, Wideman, Ference, Hunwick, Stuart, Hnidy, and Lashoff. More then enough depth.

What Boston needs on the backend is a proven puck mover, PP QB type guy that's about to hit UFA or on a very cheap contract. I don't see them affording the cheap contract guy less Burke is willing to take a player like Noke or Bitz, and frankly, I think White should have more value to Toronto then that.

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Good thing you play hockey Nikita, because you dont seem to understand the new NHL.

Capspace is a commodity in the new NHL. The Maple Leafs have capspace, the Bruins do not.

Fernandez has Boston on the hook for $4.75 million with a cap hit of $4.333 million to backup Thomas. He is also a free agent at the end of the season that the Bruins have no interest of resigning. Why would they, Rask is waiting in the wings.

If the Leafs were to take on Fernandez's salary and cap hit at the expense of a midling pick, suddenly Boston has room to make a move for a rental if they so choose.

You still with me or did the mention of caps and salary lose you?
Do you know how much cap space Boston has now to devote to a UFA rental?

They have more then enough, especially with the ability to add in someone for Sturm's LTIR.

So really, why would Boston pay someone to take one half of the best tending Tandem in the league, when they can simply let him walk for free in the offseason?

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Ward is better then Ference right now, and an underrated contributor on the Bruins. I wouldn't rank White over him at all.

We have:

Chara, Ward, Wideman, Ference, Hunwick, Stuart, Hnidy, and Lashoff. More then enough depth.

What Boston needs on the backend is a proven puck mover, PP QB type guy that's about to hit UFA or on a very cheap contract. I don't see them affording the cheap contract guy less Burke is willing to take a player like Noke or Bitz, and frankly, I think White should have more value to Toronto then that.
Hm, I definitely like Ference better. Either way, I agree that there's no way Burke would deal him for spare parts like Noke or Bitz unless there was picks involved.

Hard to find a proven puck-mover that fits the bill, but Schneider sounds about as close as it gets for you. That might work out better.

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Good thing you play hockey Nikita, because you dont seem to understand the new NHL.

Capspace is a commodity in the new NHL. The Maple Leafs have capspace, the Bruins do not.

Fernandez has Boston on the hook for $4.75 million with a cap hit of $4.333 million to backup Thomas. He is also a free agent at the end of the season that the Bruins have no interest of resigning. Why would they, Rask is waiting in the wings.

If the Leafs were to take on Fernandez's salary and cap hit at the expense of a midling pick, suddenly Boston has room to make a move for a rental if they so choose.

You still with me or did the mention of caps and salary lose you?
Bruins already have room. Sturm's money is on LTIR and contracts taken at this time of season are pretty small. If they trade Fernandez, it will be part of a deal that brings a good d-man to the B's (maybe Jordan Leopold or something). They won't break up the best goaltending tandem for a prospect.

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Hm, I definitely like Ference better. Either way, I agree that there's no way Burke would deal him for spare parts like Noke or Bitz unless there was picks involved.

Hard to find a proven puck-mover that fits the bill, but Schneider sounds about as close as it gets for you. That might work out better.
An impending UFA would be the likely target if they plan to upgrade the D at all. Neely came out before the Philly game and said they are targeting a Left handed shooting LW'er to replace Sturm at the moment. To me I think that would be the priority (Chia has said in the past he's happy with his defense, it's more or less the fanbase that you hear pining for an upgrade at this position).

If they can go out and get this player, then still upgrade their defensive corps come deadline they likely will, but the cost in both cases can't really disrupt their current roster else it's robbing Peter to pay Paul.

If they manage to pull off both, you're likely to see a picks/prospects package go for the winger, then one of our depth young dmen with value (Lashoff or Stuart), and something for the missing piece on the blueline.

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Considering he just came off surgery and Antropov is a UFA, Hamill's value is higher...in my books.
Maybe on your NHL 2009 game, Hamill's value is higher. Not in the NHL circles though

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