HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Buffalo Sabres
Notices

One less hour of sleep makes me grumpy

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-15-2009, 01:12 PM
  #76
TehDoak
General Zad
 
TehDoak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: United States
Posts: 17,250
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to TehDoak
Quote:
Originally Posted by bflohockeygirl View Post
Show me where I said that, and I'll be happy to retract it. I'm 100% certain I said nothing of the sort. But to say that healthcare is available to anyone who is willing to work for a living is completely untrue. Many small employers don't offer healthcare because they can't afford it. Many people whose employers offer healthcare aren't able to take advantage of it because their employers' contributions are so small that they can't afford the employee contribution.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the "their choice to work there" argument. Would you rather they *not* work at jobs that don't offer healthcare, so they can qualify for government programs? How is that better than just providing healthcare for everyone?






No offense, but you *did* spend a lot of time when you were in your earlier job bragging about how much you were getting paid to do so little. In light of that, the "willing to work for an honest living" comment is bound to rub people the wrong way. Just sayin'...




I'm not gaf, but I'll address this... She broke her foot last summer & is probably going to be paying the bills for that for...oh, the rest of her natural life. The ambulance, the surgery, the *second* surgery they had to do when her foot didn't heal up properly from the first surgery. She qualified for ****-all. And she *could* just default on those bills, I suppose - after all, it's not like they're going to repossess her foot or something - but they were raised to work hard to take care of themselves, and she'd never let herself do that. So she'll be struggling to pay that off for quite some time. And hoping in the meantime that she doesn't get sick with anything else that requires medical care that will create more bills.



Right. There are lots of places in the world just like you're talking about. But are you *really* satisfied with "Oh, well, we have it a lot better than third-world countries"? Seriously? That's "good enough" for you?

Did you know that we spend more than any other industrialized nation on health care & we don't even rank near the top in a lot of health indicators? Did you know that we're the only industrialized Western nation that doesn't provide some sort of universal health coverage for our citizens? Let me repeat that, because it seems vaguely important: EVERY other industrialized Western nation provides some means of ensuring that EVERY one of its legal residents has access to affordable health care.

There is NO good reason the "greatest nation in the entire world!!!!!!1!!!!1eleventy!!!!" can't provide the same for its citizens.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug View Post
As someone who is going into health care for a living, here's my take.

The problem is not quality or even availability of services. It's accessibility and efficiency.

We pay the most and receive the least. Changing to a single-payer system is vital to a long-term solution to health care: that would help keep costs down tremendously, and allow for more efficient use of our health-care dollars. And we absolutely need to go to a PCP-based system. Our ratio of PCPs:specialists is about 1:1, whereas in most countries it is on the order of 2:1 or even 3:1. That helps keep costs down as well, but as long as PCPs have a salary (and lifestyle) that pales in comparison to specialists, lack the prestige within the medical community, and have to deal with all the insurance paperwork nonsense (moreso than specialists), we will continue to see the PCP crisis we have in this country continue. And those same reasons are why I would rather specialize then go into primary care. The incentives to go into primary care simply aren't there right now.

And accessibility: the problem of the uninsured (and even more alarming, the under-insured) is gross. Because of the employer-sponsor method used in this country, often people who work aren't able to find adequate coverage because their employers can't afford it, or if they are laid off during economic downturns and can't find new employment due to no fault of their own, and then insurance companies reducing coverage for pre-existing conditions, and the myriad of other things going on with the system...too many folks are being deprived basic health care services (especially preventive care services) for no good reason. And this adds further strain on our system when people start using the ER for primary care because there is no where else for them to turn.

Believe it or not, the vast majority of people lacking health care are not the potheads and the couch potatoes. They're the people who built your cars but now have nothing to build, the people who clean your streets, the people who make your burritos...and especially the children of said people as well.
First off, I never said we had a perfect system, I said there was room for improvement. The problem is that people are complaining about a "bad" system, when the vast majority of the world has no system at all. Can it be better? Yup, never denied that. But perhaps it was more out of frustration that we have it so good in every facet in this country, I, personally, find it hard to complain when if I have a medical problem, not only is treatment available, but I have options.

Can healthcare be expensive? Yes. Can it be cheaper? Yes. I don't claim to be an expert on the situation (as this thread has shown), but I do know that its better to have a good (though, expensive) system than nothing at all.

TehDoak is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 01:17 PM
  #77
New Sabres Captain
ForFriendshipDikembe
 
New Sabres Captain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 37,921
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TehDoak View Post
First off, I never said we had a perfect system, I said there was room for improvement. The problem is that people are complaining about a "bad" system, when the vast majority of the world has no system at all. Can it be better? Yup, never denied that. But perhaps it was more out of frustration that we have it so good in every facet in this country, I, personally, find it hard to complain when if I have a medical problem, not only is treatment available, but I have options.

Can healthcare be expensive? Yes. Can it be cheaper? Yes. I don't claim to be an expert on the situation (as this thread has shown), but I do know that its better to have a good (though, expensive) system than nothing at all.
You may have options. But the point is that there are many people through no fault of their own who do not have options when they get sick--despite the availability of care, it is not accessible or affordable to many people. That's the problem: there exists significant inequity in the system. And that inequity eventually will affect YOUR care, by burdening the system monetarily and especially at the ER.

New Sabres Captain is online now  
Old
02-15-2009, 01:18 PM
  #78
Clock
Moderator
 
Clock's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Buffalo
Country: United States
Posts: 19,843
vCash: 500
My 2c:

Please reform healthcare.

Thanks,
Clock

Clock is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 01:29 PM
  #79
New Sabres Captain
ForFriendshipDikembe
 
New Sabres Captain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 37,921
vCash: 500
Hey Buck...what is up with your kicker?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3907738


New Sabres Captain is online now  
Old
02-15-2009, 01:32 PM
  #80
BUCKSHOT
w00t !!
 
BUCKSHOT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 17,601
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to BUCKSHOT
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug View Post
Hey Buck...what is up with your kicker?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3907738

I was reading that last night, I am guessing there was some 'partying' going on. (drunk/high or both )

__________________






BUCKSHOT is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 01:51 PM
  #81
sabreRT
 
sabreRT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Buffalo
Country: Poland
Posts: 1,763
vCash: 500
If you don't like war, expensive/non-existent healthcare, segregated cities, Jesus, and 6 MPG then just leave.

sabreRT is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 01:53 PM
  #82
New Sabres Captain
ForFriendshipDikembe
 
New Sabres Captain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 37,921
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabreRT View Post
If you don't like war, expensive/non-existent healthcare, segregated cities, Jesus, and 6 MPG then just leave.
The problem is the 6 MPG kinda makes it hard to go anywhere...

New Sabres Captain is online now  
Old
02-15-2009, 02:05 PM
  #83
signalIInoise
killed by signal 2
 
signalIInoise's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Latveria
Country: Denmark
Posts: 5,727
vCash: 500
In honor of Presidents Day, multiple Abraham Lincolns present their stimulus package:


signalIInoise is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 02:30 PM
  #84
Buffalo87
thehosers dot com
 
Buffalo87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Rochester
Posts: 7,254
vCash: 500
Quick question...

What do you need to get over the border? Is it just ID and birth certificate?

Buffalo87 is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 02:44 PM
  #85
Hobey Baker
Registered User
 
Hobey Baker's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Charlestown
Country: United States
Posts: 7,238
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Hobey Baker
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalo87 View Post
Quick question...

What do you need to get over the border? Is it just ID and birth certificate?
take both for sure. birth cert will likely come in handy on way back over...

Hobey Baker is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 02:53 PM
  #86
sabreRT
 
sabreRT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Buffalo
Country: Poland
Posts: 1,763
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug View Post
The problem is the 6 MPG kinda makes it hard to go anywhere...
Neo-Conservative values also include roller skates for some reason. Which makes about as much sense as Creationism.

sabreRT is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 03:01 PM
  #87
vcv
Moderator
Deal with it
 
vcv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Williamsville, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 13,358
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to vcv
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug View Post
Hey, of the 7 titles this OT thread has had, 5 of them are mine...

Apparently MM can't even spell "apparently", though.
There's a lot of things MM can't spell :p

Quote:
Originally Posted by Afino View Post
I'm very thankful to have a good plan at work.

I currently pay $28 every two weeks just for myself. Even when I add CG, I'm only paying $65 every two weeks.

Makes getting paid a little less than what I could be making a little better.
I'm lucky, I don't have to pay anything at all. One of the best perks of my place of employment.

vcv is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 03:05 PM
  #88
BUCKSHOT
w00t !!
 
BUCKSHOT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 17,601
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to BUCKSHOT
hey BGM, we got shut down


you should have a PM on it, if you don't PM me and I will explain

BUCKSHOT is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 03:07 PM
  #89
BUCKSHOT
w00t !!
 
BUCKSHOT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 17,601
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to BUCKSHOT
Quote:
Originally Posted by vcv View Post
There's a lot of things MM can't spell :p

I'm lucky, I don't have to pay anything at all. One of the best perks of my place of employment.
x2, I think how ****** work is sometimes and then think 'well it isn't so bad'

BUCKSHOT is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 05:58 PM
  #90
BackGroundMusic
rebuildingeverywhere
 
BackGroundMusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Germany
Posts: 24,466
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BUCKSHOT View Post
hey BGM, we got shut down


you should have a PM on it, if you don't PM me and I will explain
Weak. Were there nips or something?

BackGroundMusic is online now  
Old
02-15-2009, 06:10 PM
  #91
BUCKSHOT
w00t !!
 
BUCKSHOT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 17,601
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to BUCKSHOT
Quote:
Originally Posted by BikeGiftingMan View Post
Weak. Were there nips or something?
I don't think so, maybe they just found it ?

doubt that, maybe they didn't like the direction it was going .... unno:

BUCKSHOT is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 06:56 PM
  #92
BackGroundMusic
rebuildingeverywhere
 
BackGroundMusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Germany
Posts: 24,466
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BUCKSHOT View Post
I don't think so, maybe they just found it ?

doubt that, maybe they didn't like the direction it was going .... unno:
Well, let's hope they don't start investigating PMs, then, 'cause those are way worse.

BackGroundMusic is online now  
Old
02-15-2009, 07:00 PM
  #93
BUCKSHOT
w00t !!
 
BUCKSHOT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Ukraine
Posts: 17,601
vCash: 500
Send a message via Yahoo to BUCKSHOT
Quote:
Originally Posted by BikeGiftingMan View Post
Well, let's hope they don't start investigating PMs, then, 'cause those are way worse.
well that particular 'group' was public, maybe get a private group ?

BUCKSHOT is offline  
Old
02-15-2009, 08:40 PM
  #94
Mike McDermott
blah blah blah
 
Mike McDermott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Kenmore
Country: United States
Posts: 12,720
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug View Post
Hey, of the 7 titles this OT thread has had, 5 of them are mine...
I was just busting your butt since you had a title about the Hallmark Holiday and one of my last titles was about the Hallmark Holiday coming

Quote:

Apparently MM can't even spell "apparently", though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vcv View Post
There's a lot of things MM can't spell :p

I'm lucky, I don't have to pay anything at all. One of the best perks of my place of employment.
Yeah, I can't spell for s*** and I know it. Which is why spell check is my best friend. When I use my desktop I use firefox which has a really good spell check when filling in text fields but when I'm on my laptop I use IE which doesn't have a spell check (or at least I haven't looked to see if there is a way to turn one on) and I haven't gotten around to installing firefox on my laptop.

Mike McDermott is online now  
Old
02-15-2009, 09:48 PM
  #95
Afino
The Juice
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Orchard Park, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 20,547
vCash: 500
I don't have a 3 day weekend.

We only get the six "big holidays" off.

Afino is offline  
Old
02-16-2009, 07:21 AM
  #96
bflohockeygirl
homesick sabres fan
 
bflohockeygirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: 9th circle of hell
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,444
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveDaSlug View Post
You may have options. But the point is that there are many people through no fault of their own who do not have options when they get sick--despite the availability of care, it is not accessible or affordable to many people. That's the problem: there exists significant inequity in the system. And that inequity eventually will affect YOUR care, by burdening the system monetarily and especially at the ER.
Thank you. That's what I was getting at, but I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought.

Taking this thought a bit further - for those who don't have options, our system *isn't* better than no system at all, because they can't afford to get the care they need. For the people who sit in that in-between place where they make too much money to qualify for government programs and too little to afford health insurance, there isn't much difference between living here and living in one of those places where they don't have any sort of health care at all, because they can't take advantage of what our system offers.

__________________
Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.

Study hard. Be evil.
bflohockeygirl is offline  
Old
02-16-2009, 07:47 AM
  #97
jpb
Registered User
 
jpb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Thebes
Posts: 4,341
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffalo87 View Post
Quick question... What do you need to get over the border? Is it just ID and birth certificate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobey Baker View Post
take both for sure. birth cert will likely come in handy on way back over...
At some point this year (June or July) a passport will be required to cross the border. Not sure if Canada will let you in without one, but you won't get back across in to the US without it.

jpb is offline  
Old
02-16-2009, 09:50 AM
  #98
Chainshot
Global Moderator
Give 'em Enough Rope
 
Chainshot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Costa Rica
Country: Costa Rica
Posts: 56,209
vCash: 500
Awards:
June for passports is what Customs told me last weekend.

Chainshot is offline  
Old
02-16-2009, 09:59 AM
  #99
OpethianSabre20
..........
 
OpethianSabre20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Youngstown, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 8,123
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chainshot View Post
June for passports is what Customs told me last weekend.
Yeah, you either have to have a passport or that BS "enhanced" driver's license with the RFID chip in it to cross the border starting in June. I would advise everyone to get the passport, the enhanced driver's license is beyond sketchy IMHO.

OpethianSabre20 is offline  
Old
02-16-2009, 10:30 AM
  #100
jpb
Registered User
 
jpb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Thebes
Posts: 4,341
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpethianSabre20 View Post
Yeah, you either have to have a passport or that BS "enhanced" driver's license with the RFID chip in it to cross the border starting in June. I would advise everyone to get the passport, the enhanced driver's license is beyond sketchy IMHO.
Either way you're carrying chipped ID. I'm less than thrilled with RFID in my ID since it's easily hackable.

I don't see that the enhanced driver's license is avoidable. I'm pretty sure that NYS will give you one next time you renew. The thing that I really dislike about it is it's a first step towards a national ID card. After that, it'll be "Papers, please".

jpb is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:53 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.