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Ehrhoff is better than Van Ryn so what is the point. Antropov is a UFA who would be a bottom 6 F, not worth our youngish top 4 d-man, who is playoff performer.
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I'd love to see Doug Murray in Ducks next season but I'm afraid the cost is too much.
Mitera + 2nd rounder enough?
I will drive him to the airport. Top 4 D prospect and a top 50 pick. Of course it would depend on the rest of the D situation: Blake signing/retiring, nhl readiness of Joslin, Moore, and Petrecki.
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If Ottawa has interest in Cheechoo, what would be the asking price from Sharks fans?
Interests: your 2nd, Vermette (if he would fit the cap situation), Lee, Karlsson (yeah right), Foligno, Zubov, other W/D prospects.
If Ottawa has interest in Cheechoo, what would be the asking price from Sharks fans?
After the season, a high pick and/or prospect. If Burke gets a 1st for Antro, DW will get at least a 1st for Cheechoo. More realistically, think a 2nd rounder (1st 15 in that round probably) and mid-level prospect (or possibly a higher-risk very young prospect with high potential).
If the Sharks are trading Ehrhoff, they're openly saying that they don't plan on going very far in the playoffs.
I agree, but I was thinking if he was traded for some odd reason, that's the only reason I could think of. He's just too valuable to trade in my opinion.
Interests: your 2nd, Vermette (if he would fit the cap situation), Lee, Karlsson (yeah right), Foligno, Zubov, other W/D prospects.
Karlsson and Foligno are almost impossible for us to move in the mini-rebuild we're in, so we can't include those two.
Vermette might fit into your plans very, very well, but I thought you guys might be looking at a grinder to play some 3rd line minutes. We could absolutely offer Neil + prospect/pick for Cheechoo. But that would vary on whether you guys feel you need a guy like Neil.
After the season, a high pick and/or prospect. If Burke gets a 1st for Antro, DW will get at least a 1st for Cheechoo. More realistically, think a 2nd rounder (1st 15 in that round probably) and mid-level prospect (or possibly a higher-risk very young prospect with high potential).
I love Cheechoo and completely see where you're coming from, but that's a hefty price to pay for a reclamation project that comes with 2 more years @ 3 million.
There would have to be a little more give and take for us I would imagine. Like a mid-level prospect and possibly a roster player depending on who DW likes.
Erhoff? Either I missed that or sub-consciously missed it on purpose. I doubt highly the Sharks move him - and if they do, again, Ottawa needs to be in on that.
A fairly high level prospect like Brian Lee + middle prospect like Ilya Zubov?
Karlsson and Foligno are almost impossible for us to move in the mini-rebuild we're in, so we can't include those two.
Vermette might fit into your plans very, very well, but I thought you guys might be looking at a grinder to play some 3rd line minutes. We could absolutely offer Neil + prospect/pick for Cheechoo. But that would vary on whether you guys feel you need a guy like Neil.
If the Sharks deal Cheechoo now, it will either be for a very good third liner. Vermette would fit because he is speedy, offensively skilled, a two-way player, and a good penalty killer, perfect at LW or C with Mitchell/Goc and Grier.
However, I think it is more likely the Sharks hold onto him and deal him at the draft. In which case, your 2nd (maybe a bit more) could get it done. The Sharks wouldn't mind Neil IMO, but not at the expense of Cheechoo.
If the Sharks deal Cheechoo now, it will either be for a very good third liner. Vermette would fit because he is speedy, offensively skilled, a two-way player, and a good penalty killer, perfect at LW or C with Mitchell/Goc and Grier.
However, I think it is more likely the Sharks hold onto him and deal him at the draft. In which case, your 2nd (maybe a bit more) could get it done. The Sharks wouldn't mind Neil IMO, but not at the expense of Cheechoo.
Understand on Foligno and Karlsson.
Fair enough. I sincerely doubt we'd need Cheechoo until the summer anyway, just thought there might be an opening here to do something if the Sharks were indeed interested in Neil +.
Fair enough. I sincerely doubt we'd need Cheechoo until the summer anyway, just thought there might be an opening here to do something if the Sharks were indeed interested in Neil +.
I'd like Neil (not for Cheechoo, even w/ more from the Sens).What's the latest asking price for Neil?
Still could deal Cheech at the draft- most likely scenario, dependent on Clowe re-signing. I'd hope we can get more for Cheechoo than the Sens 2nd...
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I'd like Neil (not for Cheechoo, even w/ more from the Sens).What's the latest asking price for Neil?
Still could deal Cheech at the draft- most likely scenario, dependent on Clowe re-signing. I'd hope we can get more for Cheechoo than the Sens 2nd...
I also hope cheechoo could get more than just a second but I don't think he will get a first from any team. I would certainly trade him to ottawa for their high second.
Would the Sens give back the sharks first for Cheechoo and our 2nd?
Karlsson and Foligno are almost impossible for us to move in the mini-rebuild we're in, so we can't include those two.
Vermette might fit into your plans very, very well, but I thought you guys might be looking at a grinder to play some 3rd line minutes. We could absolutely offer Neil + prospect/pick for Cheechoo. But that would vary on whether you guys feel you need a guy like Neil.
I'm a big fan of Neil's, but I just don't see a need for him on the Sharks. Again, assuming Cheechoo is traded after the season, they would be looking for cap relief, so Vermette is probably out of the question. So picks and prospects are the best bet.
Thought San Jose fans might, since you guys seem to be pushing for a speedy team up front, which Raymond has boat loads of. He's young but may not fit into Vancouver's plans. Cheechoo with the Sedin's I think would be deadly.
Clowe is slower than Cheechoo, but he's doing just fine.
It's a combination of his lack of speed and lack of hands. Great shot and good on the defensive side but his positioning in the offensive zone isn't where it needs to be. His passing isn't that good and, in the top two lines, fluidity with the puck is crucial which also includes being able to stick-handle in tight spaces.
Douglas Murray will be on the team for at least two more years to give Nick Petrecki time to develop instead of just rushing him. Ehrhoff is going nowhere because there's nobody to replace him right now.
I'm a little surprised that Neil + 3rd rounder or equivalent isn't being considered by Sharks fans. Cheechoo isn't setting the world on fire at all - in fact, his numbers are downright poor.
I dunno, chalk this one up to a reality check for me I suppose, but I would consider Cheechoo's value to be quite low now and probably just as low in the off-season. Depends on what the Sharks have in mind for him I suppose.
I'm a little surprised that Neil + 3rd rounder or equivalent isn't being considered by Sharks fans. Cheechoo isn't setting the world on fire at all - in fact, his numbers are downright poor.
I dunno, chalk this one up to a reality check for me I suppose, but I would consider Cheechoo's value to be quite low now and probably just as low in the off-season. Depends on what the Sharks have in mind for him I suppose.
Think of it this way:
Is Neil a clear upgrade over Cheechoo offensively or defensively? No he isn't. Is a 3rd rounder worth downgrading on the 3rd line (on RW no less; Clowe, Setoguchi, Grier, Roenick, Lemeiux are all RW). Not to mention the Sharks will be unable to keep Neil, they lose their top 6 winger should any of the current top 6 go down. Finally, trading Cheechoo could mess with team chemistry. Neil is not worth that.
I'm a little surprised that Neil + 3rd rounder or equivalent isn't being considered by Sharks fans. Cheechoo isn't setting the world on fire at all - in fact, his numbers are downright poor.
I dunno, chalk this one up to a reality check for me I suppose, but I would consider Cheechoo's value to be quite low now and probably just as low in the off-season. Depends on what the Sharks have in mind for him I suppose.
We don't need to swap 3rd liners at this point. Cheechoo is doing well in the checking role. Naturally, being on the 3rd line is not going to do wonders for your offensive numbers but that's not what is being asked of him on this team this year. I'm certain that his value is not where it was a couple seasons ago after potting 56 and 37 but a 3rd line rental and a 3rd round pick is not enough to pry him from the Sharks right now.
I sincerely doubt he gets dealt until the draft or until Ryane Clowe gets re-signed. If Clowe doesn't get re-signed, they can slot Cheechoo on a scoring line and be confident that he'll produce. He's still the Sharks insurance policy in case things don't work out with Ryane Clowe.
