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02-15-2009, 05:30 AM
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Return on players at deadline will be next to nothing

I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.

I'm laughing at how people are asking for top prospects, 1st and 2nd round picks for guys that are over 33 and are almost old farts. Or asking a ton of players that have had maybe two good years. Players like Antropov, Arnott, Kozlov, Tkachuk, ect..... will be given away for basically nothing.

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I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.

I'm laughing at how people are asking for top prospects, 1st and 2nd round picks for guys that are over 33 and are almost old farts. Or asking a ton of players that have had maybe two good years. Players like Antropov, Arnott, Kozlov, Tkachuk, ect..... will be given away for basically nothing.

If you are right about this, it it will be the first time in recent memory that GMs have not badly overpaid at the deadline.

I think your post is swiming against the tide of NHL history.

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I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.

I'm laughing at how people are asking for top prospects, 1st and 2nd round picks for guys that are over 33 and are almost old farts. Or asking a ton of players that have had maybe two good years. Players like Antropov, Arnott, Kozlov, Tkachuk, ect..... will be given away for basically nothing.
You showed them.

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I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.

I'm laughing at how people are asking for top prospects, 1st and 2nd round picks for guys that are over 33 and are almost old farts. Or asking a ton of players that have had maybe two good years. Players like Antropov, Arnott, Kozlov, Tkachuk, ect..... will be given away for basically nothing.
Well, that conclusive evidence has certainly changed my mind!

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We should all come here after the trade deadline and share a good chuckle.

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I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.

I'm laughing at how people are asking for top prospects, 1st and 2nd round picks for guys that are over 33 and are almost old farts. Or asking a ton of players that have had maybe two good years. Players like Antropov, Arnott, Kozlov, Tkachuk, ect..... will be given away for basically nothing.
you know that law of supply and demand?
there could very well be 23-25 teams still in playoff contention by the deadline, meaning they'll rather be buyers.
so it will be 5-7 sellers and 23-25 buyers. go figure...

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I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.

I'm laughing at how people are asking for top prospects, 1st and 2nd round picks for guys that are over 33 and are almost old farts. Or asking a ton of players that have had maybe two good years. Players like Antropov, Arnott, Kozlov, Tkachuk, ect..... will be given away for basically nothing.
Give it a rest, will you?

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I just canceled the trade deadline because of this thread.

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Well they don't call you the trademaster for nothing, eh?

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trademasterb is a Ranger fan.Fortunately his opinions and views don't represent most of us.Thank god.

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I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.

I'm laughing at how people are asking for top prospects, 1st and 2nd round picks for guys that are over 33 and are almost old farts. Or asking a ton of players that have had maybe two good years. Players like Antropov, Arnott, Kozlov, Tkachuk, ect..... will be given away for basically nothing.
You will eat crow come deadline day. When did teams not overpay for cuprun rentals? They always did and there will be no stop to it.

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Give it a rest, will you?
While he's not right, he does make a point. The way people overvalue players around here is absolutely retarded. There is absolutely no way Bouwmeester nets a 1st, 1st, Plekanec, Subban, and Pacioretty from Montreal, for example.

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Some teams aren't going to take payroll for x years, unless the same payroll for x years is going back.

If a team wants to trade a player @ 4.25 million for 2 years, they might have to take back 4.25
million for 2 years.


It's not just trading players, it's trading payroll dollars.

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Just because the returns for the UFAs won't match most of the lofty expectations here, it doesn't mean that the GMs won't overpay.

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Ah, yes, this thread. I've been waiting for this thread, because we see it every year at how rentals are worthless at the deadline, and then when good prospects and 1st Round draft picks are traded we get to see such posters backtrack and complain about 'the lockout was supposed to stop this' and see such people in disbelief at the return on trades.

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I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.
Salary dumps? There's only like 20% of the salaries left on deadline day. That's peanuts.

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Discussion from the last 2 years, some involving 'no-return on rentals'
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=482541&page=5
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=480137
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=474406
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=348309
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=350362
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=338990

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Last 2 years means nothing. The economy is horrific now and the first couple years the cap didn't put the squeeze on teams. Now it is. It's a whole different ball game with deals now.

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Last 2 years means nothing. The economy is horrific now and the first couple years the cap didn't put the squeeze on teams. Now it is. It's a whole different ball game with deals now.
hey if you can make the statment just be sure you can accept it when everyone on here spills how ur wrong on march 4'th.. there maybe a drop in number of trades but not in what people get for trades.. even then when there so many buyers i dont see much of a drop ... like i said you can make your statement all you want just be sure to accept whats coming to you when your dead wrong

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I can't wait till the trades start happening and you see a ton of posters here in disbelief at how little their teams got back. It will be all about salary dumps at the deadline and trading for head case prospects who might turn out to be something.

I'm laughing at how people are asking for top prospects, 1st and 2nd round picks for guys that are over 33 and are almost old farts. Or asking a ton of players that have had maybe two good years. Players like Antropov, Arnott, Kozlov, Tkachuk, ect..... will be given away for basically nothing.
YT or it didn't happen.

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If you are right about this, it it will be the first time in recent memory that GMs have not badly overpaid at the deadline.

I think your post is swiming against the tide of NHL history.
Yeah, each year you half-expect a light to go on inside the buyer GM's head....but it never does.

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GMs always overpay at the deadline, especially from the perspective of a prospect site. It's the price you pay to say to your team that you'll be a contender.

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If you are right about this, it it will be the first time in recent memory that GMs have not badly overpaid at the deadline.

I think your post is swiming against the tide of NHL history.
but his name is trademaster!!!!!!!!

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Last 2 years means nothing. The economy is horrific now and the first couple years the cap didn't put the squeeze on teams. Now it is. It's a whole different ball game with deals now.
Um, we were in a recession last February too.

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Um, we were in a recession last February too.
Only in the US ;p

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