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RW Joeffrey Lupul, 24 years old, extension kicks in 09/10, cap hit 4.25
D Matthew Carle, 23 years old, cap hit 2.9
to Philadelphia
RW/C David Backes, 24 years old, cap hit 2.5
D Barret Jackman, 27 years old, cap hit 3.6
Why St. Louis does this?
Lupul...
is a top 6 winger with 1st line potential.
is good for at least 25-30 goals.
is a creative forward who skates well.
Carle...
is an offensive-minded d-man who loves to join the rush.
is a very good skater.
is positionally sound but still needs to work on his defensive game.
can be used as a power-play quarter-back.
In addittion St. Louis gets younger.
Why Philadelphia does this?
Jackman...
is a nasty and gritty stay-at-home defender, the Flyers lack of.
is able to log a ton of minutes.
is a great leader.
Backes...
is a gritty forward, the Flyers (besides Hartnell) do not have.
would fit into the Flyers philosophy.
Philadelphia sheds 1Mill.$ of salary.
possible 09/10 Blues line-up
Kariya/McDonald/Boyes
Tkachuck(if he resigns)/Berglund/Lupul
Perron/Steen/Oshie
4th line
Colaicovo(sp?)/Johnson
Carle/Brewer
Wagner or Woywitka/McKee
possible 09/10 Flyers line-up
Gagne/Briere/Knuble
Hartnell/Carter/Giroux
Upshall/Richards/Backes
4th line
Timonen/Jackman
Coburn/Parent
Sbisa/Vaananen or Alberts or Jones
I don't think Backes can be traded because he signed an offer sheet in the offseason, but I could use some clarification if that still applies to the offseason after. Irish Blues should know.
I don't think Backes can be traded because he signed an offer sheet in the offseason, but I could use some clarification if that still applies to the offseason after.
Damn, didn't know that. Maybe some Blues fans may tell us more.
The Blues say no. Lupul is a decent player, but he's not worth $4.25MM/yr and I don't want to give up Backes for him. We have prospects that will be ready in the next year or two that will be at least as good AND CHEAPER than Lupul (Eller, Palushaj).
I'm one of the few Blues fans that would be glad to give up Jackman in most deal just because I think we could do better for the money we pay him, and to free up the room for some of our better prospects to come up, but even I wouldn't do this trade. St. Louis fans will give an unequivocal "no" to this proposal.
if Lupul played more like Backes, he wouldn't be in every trade proposal from PHI. Backes hits, scores and is a team-leader. Lupul doesn't even average a hit/game and is largely wasting his huge frame.
Last edited by Stealth JD: 02-15-2009 at 11:09 AM.
The Blues say no. Lupul is a decent player, but he's not worth $4.25MM/yr and I don't want to give up Backes for him. We have prospects that will be ready in the next year or two that will be at least as good AND CHEAPER than Lupul (Eller, Palushaj).
I'm one of the few Blues fans that would be glad to give up Jackman in most deal just because I think we could do better for the money we pay him, and to free up the room for some of our better prospects to come up, but even I wouldn't do this trade. St. Louis fans will give an unequivocal "no" to this proposal.
No you are wrong on this point. It would be a HELL NO!!!!!
Lupul is not a 4+mil player. He is on the overpaid side, and the Blues are not going to bail out the Flyers on a bad contract. Carle, even thou I think he will be a good second pairing someday, he is not there right now. We have prospects that have better potential. And by the way we have a log jam of D-men for next year, and Carle would not win a spot.
Backes, is the kind of talent that most GM's would kill to get. So why in the hell would JD and company give him up. He hits, fights, and scores. About the only thing he doesn't do is strap on goalie pads. Backes is going no where anytime soon. More than like end up being the captain of this team in net couple of years. And as for Jackman, who has been playing the best of the defensemen IMO, isn't likely to get traded anytime soon either. While all these injuries keep happening to our team, one constant thing is that Jacks is out there with whatever scraps as a partner and giving 110% every night. Ohh and by the way, he is tuff as nail too.
So if you are interested in a defensemen, you best bet is to try and get Brewer or McKee. Other than that, we will not be dealing any young forwards who are part of the future. (Berglund, Oshie, Perron, and Backes are the untouchables.)
if Lupul played more like Backes, he wouldn't be in every trade proposal from PHI. Backes hits, scores and is a team-leader. Lupul doesn't even average a hit/game and is largely wasting his huge frame.
Lupul is only in all of the trade proposals from Phi because he's a scorer and we have enough of those already. He is getting that pay increase so that makes him the obvious choice to leave. It's not because he isn't good, it's just because we have guys that do his job already.
And Jackman is NOT better than Carle. I'm not saying Backes isn't better than Lupul, but Jackman is not better than Carle.
Could someone explain this obsession with David Backes? Other than being a gritty forward and all that, why is he a "talent that most GM's would kill for" ?
Could someone explain this obsession with David Backes? Other than being a gritty forward and all that, why is he a "talent that most GM's would kill for" ?
Tough as nails, skilled, good in front of the net, etc.
He isn't that special, what makes Backes that special?
30 goals, 200 penalty minutes, 200 hits, fights, can play the power-play or the penalty kill, future captain...there aren't too many of those guys around.
...and yes, Barret Jackman is better than Matt Carle. Maybe not offensively (even though they have the same point totals on the season), but Jackman is very much like Backes: strong, physical, hits, fights, blocks shots, penalty-kills, is an under-rated outlet passes (best on the team with EJ out) and already an alternate captain. Oh...and his play in his own end is better than Carle's. Once the rest of the team gets better, his +/- numbers will improve.
You thought it out nicely, but clearly you don't watch a lot of Blues hockey because Backes has been the heart and soul of our forwards this year and Jackman has been the heart and soul of our defense.
In 40 games, Backes went from inconsistent young player trying to find a role to borderline untouchable who has become outstanding defensively, a physical force, a great penalty killer, a leader, and an offensive threat (on pace to score 26 or so). So ya...going nowhere. Gillis (probably with help from Mellanby who knows the Blues well) knew what Backes was capable of.
As for Jackman, some Blues fans don't view him as highly as I do, but he has been phenomenal this year and has been the rock amid all the injuries. At $3.6 he's not overpaid and is locked up during his prime years. JD and Co. made the call (again) dealing Salvador and making Jackman the priority even though he was re-signed during IMO his worst year as a pro. He's become the Jax of old this year. Again, Jackman and Backes represent two guys I view as core players.
Then throw in Lupul's big contract kicking in next year, while the Blues have a plethora of young, talented wingers in the farm and the deal makes absolutely no sense from a Blues perspective.
30 goals, 200 penalty minutes, 200 hits, fights, can play the power-play or the penalty kill, future captain...there aren't too many of those guys around.
30 goals? when'd he score 30?
So far his career high is 18 after a handful of seasons.
So far his career high is 18 after a handful of seasons.
he'll hit 30 this season for the first time...he's ahead of Lupul for the season. He's certainly got the potential to be a periennial 30-goal scorer, even if he hasn't yet done it. Power-forwards take longer to develop, and he's certainly developing nicely. At 24 years old, it's safe to say the best is yet to come.
So far his career high is 18 after a handful of seasons.
...which is this year, 53 games in. He probably won't get to 30, but he could get to 25. And he's had Brad Winchester on his line for more than half the year. I'll take 25 goals, 200 hits, 200 PIMs any day of the week.
I don't think Backes can be traded because he signed an offer sheet in the offseason, but I could use some clarification if that still applies to the offseason after. Irish Blues should know.
Backes can't be traded until a year from the date the Blues matched the offer sheet to the Canucks. I believe that GKJ is right, and that this happened on July 1.
Lupul is only in all of the trade proposals from Phi because he's a scorer and we have enough of those already. He is getting that pay increase so that makes him the obvious choice to leave. It's not because he isn't good, it's just because we have guys that do his job already.
I would much rather have Backes. And I think you would also. Plus, Jax has been playing his best hockey since his Calder year, no thanks because this is bad deal for St. Louis.
Take on more salary and get worse. Yeah, bad deal for the Blues.
Backes is more of a 25 goal scorer than 30. No way the Blues are going to trade away Backes and Jackman unless they get swpet off their feet by a deal. These two guys are key componants to their upcoming success. They are both tough as nails and play with heart. Backes is a poor mans version of Shanahan. Same type of player, just not quite as good, but still plenty good if that makes any sense. I am hoping Blues prosect Ian Cole is a Jackman type of defender. Havent seen him enough to guage yet. I hope he plays with a chip too.
