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03-10-2004, 02:08 PM
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Agree about the suspension part, but this whole incident could've been avoided if Moore had faced the music on his actions instead of backing down from Ruutu, May, Bertuzzi, and Pronger. Not in any way condoning Bertuzzi's actions, they were dispicable to say the least, but Moore didn't exactly stand up like a man during that game. Neither did Bertuzzi though...
So then, how would you define the fight with Matt Cooke, in your books? Should Moore have had to fight the entire Vancouver Canucks team one after another? Would that have remedied the situation, a situationstarted by a hit that was deemed legal by the NHL?

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03-10-2004, 02:09 PM
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I agree -- It was WAY worse.
How is a Stick used as a weapon, striking the head of someone less than a punch to the head?

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03-10-2004, 02:10 PM
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I got a feeling it's going to be one of the two

1) 12 games

2) A year

Nothing in between because they are keeping quiet, which means something bad happen.

 
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I still maintain this isn't in the same league as the McSorely incident.
Brutal, I just lost a lot of respect for you as a poster if you can't see that this incident is the same IF not worse than McSorley's incident.

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Would that have remedied the situation, a situationstarted by a hit that was deemed legal by the NHL?
The problem is not whether the hit is legal... ti is whether he should've thrown it in the first place!!

The NHL must accept some responsibility for this, as it is their stupid instigator rule that caused this entire fiasco.

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How is a Stick used as a weapon, striking the head of someone less than a punch to the head?
Ummm...again a fist is a weapon...

 
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03-10-2004, 02:12 PM
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So then, how would you define the fight with Matt Cooke, in your books? Should Moore have had to fight the entire Vancouver Canucks team one after another? Would that have remedied the situation, a situationstarted by a hit that was deemed legal by the NHL?
The league deeming the hit legal has nothing to do with it.

Hammering Gretzky into the side boards still got you a Semenko-style beating.

I'm not saying that Moore should have hd to go through all takers on the Canucks, because he shouldn't have, I'm just saying that just because the NHL decides a hit is "legal" doesn't mean that the players are going to let marginal fringe players take headshots at captains.

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03-10-2004, 02:13 PM
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How is a Stick used as a weapon, striking the head of someone less than a punch to the head?
It is worse because 1. It was pre-mediated including threats in the media and 2. It was more than a punch, ramming someones head into the ice is a pretty big part of this and probably what caused the most damage to Moore.

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How is a Stick used as a weapon, striking the head of someone less than a punch to the head?
Are you seriously that dense? It's not the punch to the head, it's the pile drive to the ice!

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Ummm...again a fist is a weapon...
Again, the fist may be a weapon einstein, but the Stick is far more deadly.

The damage was done when he fell on top of him.

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It is worse because 1. It was pre-mediated including threats in the media and 2. It was more than a punch, ramming someones head into the ice is a pretty big part of this and probably what caused the most damage to Moore.
Please see my the other thread about why THE ATTACK ITSELF as it transpired was not pre-meditated.

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03-10-2004, 02:15 PM
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The problem is not whether the hit is legal... ti is whether he should've thrown it in the first place!!

The NHL must accept some responsibility for this, as it is their stupid instigator rule that caused this entire fiasco.
What a load.
So it's the instigator penalties fault that Bertuzzi decided to hit him in the back of the head? Yeah, it's much better to get an intent to injure and a huge suspension than dropping the gloves, pounding him face to face, and getting a 10 minute penalty.

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Again, the fist may be a weapon einstein, but the Stick is far more deadly.

The damage was done when he fell on top of him.
Fist can be as deadly as a stick, it depends on who uses it.

If Bertuzzi used his stick, it would be deadlier then if I used a stick...

 
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Are you seriously that dense? It's not the punch to the head, it's the pile drive to the ice!
He did not PILE drive him to the ice... or bull dog him, or anything like that... he fell on top of him.

Plain and simple.

Too say otherwise is head hunting...

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03-10-2004, 02:16 PM
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How is a Stick used as a weapon, striking the head of someone less than a punch to the head?
In that case, lets suspend Havlat for the rest of the year. McSorely didn't drive Brashear's head into the ice and continue to rough him up.

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03-10-2004, 02:16 PM
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Agree about the suspension part, but this whole incident could've been avoided if Moore had faced the music on his actions instead of backing down from Ruutu, May, Bertuzzi, and Pronger. Not in any way condoning Bertuzzi's actions, they were dispicable to say the least, but Moore didn't exactly stand up like a man during that game. Neither did Bertuzzi though...
For crying out loud...he stood up to Cooke, didn't he? Was he to take on all four in turns before he could walk out of there?
Saying he should've faced them is complete BS. Sorry to say so, but it is. Is it Moore's fault that he's now injured because he figured he'd done his part after fighting Cooke?
Some of the arguments put forward are really horrific (this not even being one of the worst of them, but pretty common...)

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Again, the fist may be a weapon einstein, but the Stick is far more deadly.

The damage was done when he fell on top of him.
Pretend for a minute that he didn't fall on top of him, because that's the general consensus around here. No point in discussing the penalty when the two parties don't even agree on the crime.

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Fist can be as deadly as a stick, it depends on who uses it.

If Bertuzzi used his stick, it would be deadlier then if I used a stick...
But you would be just as guilty. The Damamge is not the compelling tale here... the intent is, and Bertuzzi intended to sucker punch him. Everything else was a terrible reaction that would not stop.


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Too say otherwise is head hunting...
No, its entirely reasonably interpretation of the video. Fishing around for justification for him falling i.e. the tripping over the stick argument, requires a lot more creative explanation of events

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In that case, lets suspend Havlat for the rest of the year. McSorely didn't drive Brashear's head into the ice and continue to rough him up.
Havlat and Weight are far more guilty that Bertuzzi, because they KNEW what kind of damage their sticks could do.

How could Bertuzzi know he would knock him out?

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What about T.Granato in this, what retard would put Moore on the ice in a blow out game where he already has a target on his back?


Just a question, no excuse for bert's actions.


honestly he must feel like a goof as well.

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03-10-2004, 02:19 PM
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Please see my the other thread about why THE ATTACK ITSELF as it transpired was not pre-meditated.
I did not read it, and I can't say that I care to.
The intent was there, threats were made two weeks ago. It's an open and shut case.
Conjecture won't get you very far.

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No, its entirely reasonably interpretation of the video. Fishing around for justification for him falling i.e. the tripping over the stick argument, requires a lot more creative explanation of events
I interpreted nothing. Right away I could tell he fell on him, cause Bert was trying to pull him up so he could continue...

That my friends is what he should be tried on. He will get 15 games for that heinous crime... but the fall and everything is just a sad after effect. For that, Todd will live with forever, and I hope it tortures his soul for a long time.

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The problem is not whether the hit is legal... ti is whether he should've thrown it in the first place!!
Nobody needs a reason to throw a legal hit. You just do it. Hockey is a contact sport, for God's sake.

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Havlat and Weight are far more guilty that Bertuzzi, because they KNEW what kind of damage their sticks could do.

How could Bertuzzi know he would knock him out?
Appalling.

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