In fairness, they have better talent than the Rangers. We have no Alfredsson, no Heatley, no Spezza, no Kuba. Hell, unless Avery comes to the team, we have no Ruutu.
Yes, but it shows what a coaching change can do.
Do we have less than the Blues? Should we be totally outplayed by them?
If [Renney] can't make a few adjustments and bench the players with the big contracts than he's got to go.
Do we know this is his call to make? As I've said before, the failure to hold veterans accountable is hardly new to Renney's tenure. It's been going on since Colin Campbell.
It shows what a coaching change can do if the foundation of a good team already exists. Renney may be handling thet team badly, but the team lacks talent. No new coach will change that.
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If [Renney] can't make a few adjustments and bench the players with the big contracts than he's got to go.
AMEN! AMEN! Are you a divine being?
Do we know this is his call to make? As I've said before, the failure to hold veterans accountable is hardly new to Renney's tenure. It's been going on since Colin Campbell.
You have a good point. If he were to bench them who looks bad? Sather. We couldn't have that now could we. On the flip side though if he does have free reign to do whatever and isn't benching them than he should be held accountable for poor bench management and fired.
I think it's kind of a "Tom if you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" situation between him and Sather. He keeps his job as long as he takes the heat when the team is failing. If they were to miraculously climb out of this hole and finish say 5th in the East and go to the 2nd round again. Well then Sather doesn't look as stupid and neither does Renney. They will probably ride this out until after the season and then "promote" Renney.
It shows what a coaching change can do if the foundation of a good team already exists. Renney may be handling thet team badly, but the team lacks talent. No new coach will change that.
Yes we don't have an elite roster but should we be 30th in scoring? 30th in SH goals against and 30th on PP?
how about basically 1 goal a game for more than 10 games now? 1 win in the last 9?
Do we know this is his call to make? As I've said before, the failure to hold veterans accountable is hardly new to Renney's tenure. It's been going on since Colin Campbell.
This is what Larry Brooks said yesterday:
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It's enough, in fact, to create the suspicion that Renney's decisions are being guided by the numbers on Redden's pay stub rather than the ones he has failed to produce on the ice, where he has been a liability in every situation, not only on the power play.
It's as if Renney is afraid to embarrass Sather and the organization by sitting the free-agent acquisition, when the hard truth is that it is Redden's performance that is the embarrassment.
It seems like the coaches are afraid to piss off/embarrass Sather. I think the coach should do whatever it takes for the team to win, even if it means benching the guys that the GM grossly overpaid. But it's a no-win situation for Renney: if he benches the veterans, he risks getting on Sather's bad side but if he keeps on playing them the team will lose anyway, thus furthering Renney's chances of being fired. I wish Dolan would take his head out off his ass and get rid of Sather already.
They will probably ride this out until after the season and then "promote" Renney.
I'm guessing that's the plan Sather and the Dolans would like to follow. If the team can play .500 to the end of the season, it'll make the playoffs and Renney can be gracefully moved into a personnel position. (Director of pro scouting?)
On the other hand, another few losses in a row will force Sather's hand.
Research question: How many coaches was Cup-winner Neil Smith permitted before he was canned?
How many is second-round-and-out Sather now up to?
Yes we don't have an elite roster but should we be 30th in scoring? 30th in SH goals against and 30th on PP?
how about basically 1 goal a game for more than 10 games now? 1 win in the last 9?
Meh. Who cares about stats? It makes no difference to me if the team is going to die in the first or second round of the playoffs. It's an also-ran club and I simply can't get worked up if the current coach is making it more of an also-ran than another coach might.
The team is going nowhere. That shouldn't be sufficient to save Renney's job, but it does mean another coach would do nothing to change the team's future. Therefore it makes little sense to rant about Renney. The problem is higher up the chain.
Meh. Who cares about stats? It makes no difference to me if the team is going to die in the first or second round of the playoffs. It's an also-ran club and I simply can't get worked up if the current coach is making it more of an also-ran than another coach might.
The team is going nowhere. That shouldn't be sufficient to save Renney's job, but it does mean another coach would do nothing to change the team's future. Therefore it makes little sense to rant about Renney. The problem is higher up the chain.
It just kills me man. I thought we had turned the corner with this crap. I hate the mix of this team. EVERYTHING about it. I have for months now. Yet they continue to do the same thing and don't attempt to make a freaking change of any kind.
It just kills me man. I thought we had turned the corner with this crap. I hate the mix of this team. EVERYTHING about it. I have for months now. Yet they continue to do the same thing and don't attempt to make a freaking change of any kind.
They can't make a change. That's the problem. NY is NY man, you sign overrated veteran players for long term with the expectations that they are going to be good every single year and you are going to have to live with your mistakes (A-Fraud anyone?). NY never seems to learn from it. It's the Dolans and Streinbreiners after all.
It just kills me man. I thought we had turned the corner with this crap.
I can understand that.
Personally I've had little faith in Sather since about the third year of his tenure, so I've never felt the corner was turned. He was lucky in a draft pick made by Smith's people and in a single trade onto which he stumbled. The team was living off Jagr and Lundqvist. Now that half that tandem is gone, we see the result because Sather has been entirely unable to draft or acquire the tools around which to build a genuinely successful team.
The team has been a patchwork since the last days of Neil Smith. Sather was merely lucky enough to stumble onto two very effective patches.
This team is flat lining right now, no I don't have the credentials of Sather or anyone in the organization but something HAS to be done. It's time to draw a line in the sand: 1) fire/keep the coach, 2) buy/sell at the deadline, 3) push forward and make no adjustments. 3 would be the worst of the decisions but something has to give now because the season is slipping away.
Personally I've had little faith in Sather since about the third year of his tenure, so I've never felt the corner was turned. He was lucky in a draft pick made by Smith's people and in a single trade onto which he stumbled. The team was living off Jagr and Lundqvist. Now that half that tandem is gone, we see the result because Sather has been entirely unable to draft or acquire the tools around which to build a genuinely successful team.
The team has been a patchwork since the last days of Neil Smith. Sather was merely lucky enough to stumble onto two very effective patches.
The Isles are gonna mop the floor with em' on wednesday.
i happened to watch the overtime of the isles and pens today. it was more exciting then the last 10 ranger games combined (excluding the first 2 periods of the washington game)
even the last place team looks like they care more than the rangers...
Playing Devils advocate here: But what if Renney was responsible for pushing the Wade Redden signing on Sather, and is now playing him as to avoid admitting his mistake?
