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02-14-2009, 09:42 AM
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Morris and Jokinen

There has been a lot of speculation that We've been looking into them. I'm not sure what it would take to get these two guys here, maybe something like this

To MTL:
Jokinen
Morris

To PHX
Plekanec
A young defensmen (O'Byrne, Weber, etc.)
Maxwell
A 1st in 2010

This might be a little much but I think that's what it might take

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02-14-2009, 09:44 AM
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They just got Olli, i don't think they will move him.

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02-14-2009, 09:47 AM
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02-14-2009, 09:51 AM
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They just got Olli, i don't think they will move him.
Recently there has been rumours that Jokinen is being shopped

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx090214.html

I understand the logic but this is what has been said so far

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02-14-2009, 09:52 AM
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I think they should stay away from Jokinen. He'd be like Kovalev 2.0. There's a reason so many teams gave up on. Hell, Coyotes are shopping him after less than a year. He's a locker room cancer, and he fades down the stretch. He purposely dogged it last year to get Martin fired. He is not worth the headache. Look how great Florida is playing without him.

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02-14-2009, 10:02 AM
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They just got Olli, i don't think they will move him.
Dreger confirmed last night that Jokinin and Morris were being shopped. He noted that montreal has been in continual talks with them as well as a couple other teams. they do however want NHL players in return.

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02-14-2009, 10:10 AM
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They say Phoenix wants a hockey deal...so don't expect as much youth going other way as expect. Gainey may have to get a little creative this trade deadline. Maybe deal a Higgins or Halak or Kovalev to teams that really want these players. Then package so of what we get back for a star and offensive defenseman

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02-14-2009, 10:11 AM
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gainey and gretzky bailing each other out?

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02-14-2009, 10:15 AM
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They say Phoenix wants a hockey deal...so don't expect as much youth going other way as expect. Gainey may have to get a little creative this trade deadline. Maybe deal a Higgins or Halak or Kovalev to teams that really want these players. Then package so of what we get back for a star and offensive defenseman
So probably more like this

To MTL
Jokinen
Morris

To PHX
Plekanec
Kovalev
1st in 2010.

We have enough wingers wo be able to cope without Kovalev

D'Ago-Koivu-MaxPac
AK46-Jokinen-Higgins
Kosto-Lapierre-Dandenault
Laraque-Begin-SK74

Markov-Komisarek
Hemmer-Gorges
Morris-Bouillon

Price
Halak

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02-14-2009, 10:51 AM
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Phoenix is so young they cannot really afford to get only prospects back. It has to be a "hockey trade". They will need NHL ready players in return.

In the case of Jokinen he just may not be a good fit with the team. He hasn't really clicked with any linemates. He was supposed to be the dominant centre going head to head against the other big centres in the West (Thornton, Getzlaf etc).Instead, Hanzal has emerged as a bonafide shutdown centre AND has lots of upside offensively.

Keep in mind the Coyotes traded Ballard ( a legit #3 dman with upside), Boynton (tough #5 dman) and a high 2nd round pick to get him.

Morris should be a #2 dman in the NHL but he doesn't often play that way. Still, he is a tough, mobile, 2 way dman with tons of character and grit. He is often paired with a rookie dman - acting as a teacher on the ice and to cover for his partner's mistakes.

Can't see Phoenix trading Morris without getting quite a lot in return - Gorges plus Subban type return.

What does Phoenix need?

A top 2 centre if they trade Jokinen - Plekanec?
A shooting winger(s) - Kostitsyns? Pacioretty?
A mobile, puck moving dman - Gorges? McDonagh? Subban?
Players under 27 years old to grow with the core of the team

To me, it seems unlikely Montreal trades for BOTH.

Are the Kostitsyns necessarily a package?

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02-14-2009, 10:58 AM
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So probably more like this

To MTL
Jokinen
Morris

To PHX
Plekanec
Kovalev
1st in 2010.

We have enough wingers wo be able to cope without Kovalev

D'Ago-Koivu-MaxPac
AK46-Jokinen-Higgins
Kosto-Lapierre-Dandenault
Laraque-Begin-SK74

Markov-Komisarek
Hemmer-Gorges
Morris-Bouillon

Price
Halak
I'm far from a big Jokinen fan, but if Phoenix would be willing to do this, I would seriously consider it. Jokinen is still under contract next year btw.

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02-14-2009, 11:12 AM
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I actually could see Kovalev involved (cap reasons for Montreal, maybe? Gretzky connection). Phoenix would have to get a dman back in the trade, though.

Maybe instead of the 2010 first?

Maybe Phoenix add a prospect to include the first and a dman?


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02-14-2009, 11:29 AM
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So probably more like this

To MTL
Jokinen
Morris

To PHX
Plekanec
Kovalev
1st in 2010.

We have enough wingers wo be able to cope without Kovalev

D'Ago-Koivu-MaxPac
AK46-Jokinen-Higgins
Kosto-Lapierre-Dandenault
Laraque-Begin-SK74

Markov-Komisarek
Hemmer-Gorges
Morris-Bouillon

Price
Halak
Why would Phoenix accept this deal?

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02-14-2009, 11:33 AM
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I think they should stay away from Jokinen. He'd be like Kovalev 2.0. There's a reason so many teams gave up on. Hell, Coyotes are shopping him after less than a year. He's a locker room cancer, and he fades down the stretch. He purposely dogged it last year to get Martin fired. He is not worth the headache. Look how great Florida is playing without him.
Exactly how many teams gave up on him? The Islanders don't count because by this logic they also "gave up on" Luongo. He only really spent any time in Florida and most of those years he was on a mediocre team. I think he's just not clicking in Phoenix.

He put up great numbers in the last few years and would be a great addition for our team. Maybe there would be a good connection with Koivu and he'd be the big scoring centre we need.

-Koivu-Kostitsyn
-Jokinen-Kovalev
-Lapierre-

Fill in the blanks...

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02-14-2009, 11:55 AM
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I would certainly not give a prospect for Jokinen and Morris.

But if they would accept this package:

Plekanec-Kovalev-S.Kost-Chipchura- Gorges OR O'Byrne for them, I would like it.

Jokinen is a workhorse. He has played nearly 82 games each season throughout his carreer. But never payed a single playoff game. Is he really a head case ? Can Koivu help ? He might not be great on face offs. At worst he can play on wing with Koivu.

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02-14-2009, 11:57 AM
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Exactly how many teams gave up on him? The Islanders don't count because by this logic they also "gave up on" Luongo. He only really spent any time in Florida and most of those years he was on a mediocre team. I think he's just not clicking in Phoenix.

He put up great numbers in the last few years and would be a great addition for our team. Maybe there would be a good connection with Koivu and he'd be the big scoring centre we need.

-Koivu-Kostitsyn
-Jokinen-Kovalev
-Lapierre-

Fill in the blanks...
Well, if you don't want to count the Islanders, there's also the Kings and the Panthers. Now, the Coyotes are shopping him. Apparently, Koivu doesn't like him, either, so his being Finnish doesn't mean he'll be Koivu's friend. Jokinen wouldn't be the worst player to acquire, but there is a "buyer beware" tag that accompanies him.

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There has been a lot of speculation that We've been looking into them. I'm not sure what it would take to get these two guys here, maybe something like this

To MTL:
Jokinen
Morris

To PHX
Plekanec
A young defensmen (O'Byrne, Weber, etc.)
Maxwell
A 1st in 2010

This might be a little much but I think that's what it might take
You guys design trades according to the past criteria. Nowadays, the salary cap is very important, and changes the whole equilibrium. Therefore, to land Jokinen here, you need to give one of Hamrlik, Kovalev or Koivu. It's obvious that the less important one is Kovalev. Therefore, any trade offer for Jokinen should contain the name of Kovalev.

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Jokinen is UFA?

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Why would Phoenix accept this deal?
I actually think they would win big time in such a trade. They would get rid of 9M$ and get about 6M$ in return, trade one UFA for an other and would lose Jokinen for one season. They will have money to pay their Turris, Boedker, Mueller, Handzal, Yandle, Lisin, etc eventually.

This rumor makes so much sense for both teams I am guessing it is going to happen.

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Jokinen is UFA?

Morris is.

Now, this deal should happen a.s.a.p. I cannot wait seing Kovalev go !

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I think they should stay away from Jokinen. He'd be like Kovalev 2.0. There's a reason so many teams gave up on. Hell, Coyotes are shopping him after less than a year. He's a locker room cancer, and he fades down the stretch. He purposely dogged it last year to get Martin fired. He is not worth the headache. Look how great Florida is playing without him.
about the same as they did with him.

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about the same as they did with him.
Not at all the same. The Panthers are actually in a playoff spot in February rather than chasing one. That is remarkable, not to mention how well they have played as a team. This team is much more unified and hard-working than any Jokinen-captained teams. That is not to say that the Panthers sucked because of Jokinen, but simply that the Panthers team has proven how much they really didn't need Jokinen.

Usually, when a team's fans have nothing but bad things to say about a player leaving, that's not a good sign. Visit the Florida board to take a peak. Now, if Jokinen turns out like Lang did, then great. I trust Gainey to make the proper assessment here.

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pheonix would probrably want an nhler or an nhl ready defefenceman coming fom montreal, and if the yotes dont want jokinen why would they want kovalev

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pheonix would probrably want an nhler or an nhl ready defefenceman coming fom montreal, and if the yotes dont want jokinen why would they want kovalev
Because he is an UFA at the end of THIS season. Giving over 5M cap space to Phoenix.

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Well, if you don't want to count the Islanders, there's also the Kings and the Panthers. Now, the Coyotes are shopping him. Apparently, Koivu doesn't like him, either, so his being Finnish doesn't mean he'll be Koivu's friend. Jokinen wouldn't be the worst player to acquire, but there is a "buyer beware" tag that accompanies him.
The Kings? Even I forgot he played for them. Wasn't that his rookie season? Can you really count that? He got traded for Palffy cause the Isles wanted a proven goal scorer.

The guy plays 82 games a season and would be at least a PPG player on this team, even with a "buyer beware" tag.

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