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02-15-2009, 09:45 PM
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The system.

I'm fairly certain that not even the greatest hockey minds in the world can make any sense whatsoever of the "system" Carbo has devised for our Canadiens.

So please, share your observations and we can make a list out of it or something.

Here is what I have figured out so far.

1) The answer to everything, no matter what, is "Il faut travailler".

2) If anyone has a bad shift, at any point during the game, even if the game has just started, break up their line.

3) If anyone has 2 bad shifts, at any point during the game, put Laraque on his line.

4) If anyone has 3 bad shifts, at any point during the game, and especially if we are losing by 1 goal, put a defenceman on his line.

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Coulda had a V8.

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Better yet... why does BG put up with it?

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I'm pretty sure that waiting for the opposite fowards in the faceoff circle instead of the blueline is not in the gameplan. Still Komisarek is doing it shift after shift.

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5)Play wingers at center (Higgins, Begin), right wingers on the left wing (Kostitsyn, Kovalev) and left wingers on the right wing (Tanguay) to wake them up.

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I remember Carbo said before the season he had to work on communication.

Well when you can't implement your system over half way through a season, i say you still have a serious problem.

If we want to get into his utilization of players, that would be another serious problem.

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02-15-2009, 09:51 PM
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Carbo's answer to every rough patch in the season is a heavy dose of 1-4 trap where you give up the red line.

Sitting O'byrne when he was outplaying all our veterans is another big head scratcher.

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02-15-2009, 09:52 PM
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Getting outshot by a 2-1 margin every single game is pretty bad. We have a fast skilled team and those assets are not being used whatsoever. Sitting back behind center ice the who night..

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02-15-2009, 09:54 PM
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The what?

Never heard of it...

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Blame the goalie.

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Whatever the system is, the problem can be described with one anti-pattern: Golden Hammer.

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02-15-2009, 10:41 PM
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The system is working!

Shots on goals in the 1st 14-7 and in the second 15-8...

One word : Regularity! That's a proof the system is on and working... as for the results that must the players fault...

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I just find it amazing with even Carbonneau, Muller, Jarvis and even Gainey all in the coaching and management department that we are so brutal defensively!?!?

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Anyone remember when Kovalev used to play center with Samsonov and Perezhogin? I think Carbo should go back to using Kovalev as a center.

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Anyone remember when Kovalev used to play center with Samsonov and Perezhogin? I think Carbo should go back to using Kovalev as a center.
Plekanec is coming back next game...

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Never blame the coach guys. Blame the player. We have fired GOOD coach in the past. Like Julien who got fired by NJ, stupid them? Like Therrien who just got fired, stupid Pittsburgh? And Vigneault almost fired aswell. They are all good coaches, so it automatically mean Carbo is a good coach and we should trade the soft european player instead fire of Carbo.


Edit: just in case, i have to add this

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02-15-2009, 10:48 PM
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Habs recipe for disaster:

1- The transitional game is unexistant !

2- The defensive coverage= running around and waiting to somehow get the puck out of the zone.

3- The key to beat the habs : pressure the defense they can't get the puck out of the zone to save their lives.

Other optional aspects : Use a hook and trip here and there add in some lazyness and poor line changes !

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Do nothing until the opposition makes a mistake, rush in with a weak shot from 30 feet away, repeat.

No more does Carbo get by with the old "rookie" excuse. he should be fired and replaced.

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To build on the defensive coaching, it also amazes me how bad we are in the face off circle as well.

Doesn't Carbo teach his old tricks?

Or is he afraid the players will do well knowing how to be better in their own end and on how to win a draw?

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If we want to play the way Carbonneau wants we need more gritty players defensive minded, the problem is we have many talented, skilled and speedy players and their assets are not being used properly.

Two things can be done:

1 - A coach can be brought in who can use the players skills and speed to the team's advantage. For example look at what a coaching change did to Washington last year, Boudreau is using his players and their skills properly and their team has been outstanding ever since.

2 - The roster gets blown up and Gainey brings in grittier defensive players that would buy into Carbonneau's "system"

If you ask me option 1 would be a lot easier to implement and we wouldn't have to worry about blowing this season up.

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02-15-2009, 10:54 PM
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If we want to play the way Carbonneau wants we need more gritty players defensive minded, the problem is we have many talented, skilled and speedy players and their assets are not being used properly.

Two things can be done:

1 - A coach can be brought in who can use the players skills and speed to the team's advantage. For example look at what a coaching change did to Washington last year, Boudreau is using his players and their skills properly and their team has been outstanding ever since.

2 - The roster gets blown up and Gainey brings in grittier defensive players that would buy into Carbonneau's "system"

If you ask me option 1 would be a lot easier to implement and we wouldn't have to worry about blowing this season up.


Montreal definitely needs a new system. Zero forecheck, and the trap isn't working. The teams just dump and beat us to the loose pucks.


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with the exception of mario tremblay, i've never ever blamed a coach, and up to now have defended carbo, but after this road trip, it is more than evident to me that the problem definately IS the coach

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Montreal definitely needs a new system. Zero forecheck, and the trap isn't working. The teams just dump and beat us to the loose pucks.
They dont even need to dump the puck. They enter directly the Habs zone.

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Player: "Hi coach...We seem to have a lot of trouble getting the puck in our zone, clearing the zone and working on break outs. What should we do?"

Carbo: "Well, since I can't jump on the ice and do it for you, just get the puck, and clear the zone."

Player: "Okay, but how do I do that? I mean, how do we set ourselves up to limit shots against and regain control of the puck?"

Carbo: "Il faut travailler."

Player: ???

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Carbo does use systems. For those who have been watching the team they are pretty straightforward and the players seem to be grasping them well

The forechecking system is either:

- shoot the puck in and change lines

- or shoot the puck and retreat back to your own blueline.


The backchecking system is

- linger at center ice because you know the faceoff will eventually be there anyway

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