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02-16-2009, 08:06 PM
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So Burke is upset 'cause of the Rivet deal last year and now Phoenix is upset? You do have to wonder if it's in Gainey's mind to actually put teams in competition with each other in order to get the best deal.

Though I would have love to see Burke's offer if he would've been able to top San Jose's offer....

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Even if you don't like the trade and/or Schneider, don't you think he's an upgrade on our 6th D (and our 4th D on the PP)?
It might help a little in the puck moving department. These are the type of deals cup running teams might add. The only running the Habs are going to be doing is to the golf course. This team is so bad that adding a 39 year old Schneider won't do hardly anything. Personally, I think the Habs should be trying to get a stud up front and bigger bruising defensemen that still have some hockey left in them.

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02-16-2009, 08:08 PM
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I dont think all of Schneider's contract is counted in our cap space.
We can still trade.

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On Canadiens.com, Schneider is listed on the stats page with #24 as sweater number...

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So Burke is upset 'cause of the Rivet deal last year and now Phoenix is upset? You do have to wonder if it's in Gainey's mind to actually put teams in competition with each other in order to get the best deal.
You have to compare apples to apples here.

You put Kovalev on the block, then you try to initiate a bidding war.


You looking to acquire inexpensive talent with picks, there's no sense getting into a bidding war with a team looking for prospects.

 
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You have to compare apples to apples here.

You put Kovalev on the block, then you try to initiate a bidding war.


You looking to acquire inexpensive talent with picks, there's no sense getting into a bidding war with a team looking for prospects.
Well I agree that we're not talking about the same extent, but from Lebrun's article, Waddell seemed to be eager to get rid of Schneider and his salary, found great to have the possibility to do it now and even thought the Habs were looking in a different direction. Now, again, with the conditionnal pick, it's not a big deal, but would the 2nd and 3rd be the deal if let's say with Morris in sight, Gainey would have offered a 3rd and 4th instead?

Of course if Phoenix is upset 'cause they would have love to acquire a prospect we didn't want to get rid of, well I do say go to hell Phoenix...

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You have to compare apples to apples here.

You put Kovalev on the block, then you try to initiate a bidding war.


You looking to acquire inexpensive talent with picks, there's no sense getting into a bidding war with a team looking for prospects.
i liek apples.

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It might help a little in the puck moving department. These are the type of deals cup running teams might add. The only running the Habs are going to be doing is to the golf course. This team is so bad that adding a 39 year old Schneider won't do hardly anything. Personally, I think the Habs should be trying to get a stud up front and bigger bruising defensemen that still have some hockey left in them.
That would empty the prospect pool. None of our UFA's have any real value and we cant really afford to lose any cheap contracts we have in bank for the next season. At least right now we have a left handed shot that can play on the PP next to Markov. It doesnt matter if he doesnt score goals. He just needs to be ready to wire it. Cause right now the other teams just dont respect the right point on the PP and focus on Markov.

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On Canadiens.com, Schneider is listed on the stats page with #24 as sweater number...
But... that's Alex Henry's number

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Well I agree that we're not talking about the same extent, but from Lebrun's article, Waddell seemed to be eager to get rid of Schneider and his salary, found great to have the possibility to do it now and even thought the Habs were looking in a different direction. Now, again, with the conditionnal pick, it's not a big deal, but would the 2nd and 3rd be the deal if let's say with Morris in sight, Gainey would have offered a 3rd and 4th instead?

Of course if Phoenix is upset 'cause they would have love to acquire a prospect we didn't want to get rid of, well I do say go to hell Phoenix...

Man, I wish I could see how these things work. Seriously...there must be so many names and assets thrown around on a daily basis. I would love to get a glimpse of some of the offers that get presented.

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Man, I wish I could see how these things work. Seriously...there must be so many names and assets thrown around on a daily basis. I would love to get a glimpse of some of the offers that get presented.
Not talking about the same thing but that's one reason why I love NHL Draft Access.

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It's great. Picks are not what the habs are all about right now. I love the draft, but that ain't gonna make us win right now.. Habs had no winners. Now they have one at least.

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Guys don't call of Scheider.

Scheider is not washed up he is still capable.

Last year he dominated the canucks, and was very strong on the power play.

He might have a -10... maybe because he played for the trashers?


The good thing is he's not injury prone. Watch your power play improve tremendously.

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02-16-2009, 08:22 PM
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This trade has to have something to do with setting up a bigger deal. I can't see how picking up Schneider is going to help this team.
How about his ability to quarterback the PP?

Schneider has a howitzer of a shot....and with his shot from the point, or even the threat of his shot, the forward on the penalty kill will have to move out to pressure Schneider, try and take away that shot. That opens up space for Kovy at the right face-off circle, where he likes to set up camp. It also creates an opening for Markov to make the cross-seam pass over to Kovy.

We got more than a shot from the point, we got a PP quarterback. It's been one of Schneider's strengths for years.

Give it a couple of weeks, you'll see it.....get the PP working, get some confidence, get some momentum.....

Good trade.

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02-16-2009, 08:31 PM
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Carbo, Muller, Brisebois and now Schneider... like they once a Hab ever a Hab. It's 1993 again!

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OUCH!

smells like Niniima all over again!



PS: anybody has that pick again?

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Good deal IMHO. People have been crying for a top four d-man all year now here he is. Good ol Bob didn't give up too much for him. Honestly.....there's good players that come along out of the 2nd and 3rd rounds but most of them don't end up working out. We get a known and needed quantity now for two future ?'s. Very keen deal.

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Schneider to Montreal (e4) plus more rumours

Ek announced it an E4 five minutes after TSN reported it.
Give Ek a little credit, he called this three weeks ago.

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OUCH!

smells like Niniima all over again!



PS: anybody has that pick again?
Niinimaa, not Niniima.

Besides, how is this even remotely close? We traded a 2nd line good hockey player/joke of a human being for a bad defenseman back then. This time we traded picks that likely won't amount to anything for a defenseman that can still contribute, definitely moreso than the guys we've put in that #4 spot so far this season.

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Rumor had it Phoenix wanted a "hockey trade", did it not? I'd take it Gainey preferred to give up picks rather than roster players.
I think that he's keeping his player for another trade...!

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Give Ek a little credit, he called this three weeks ago.
No it doesn't. He said in the off season Montréal trading for him was imminent.

Eklund doesn't get any credit from this.

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Niinimaa, not Niniima.

Besides, how is this even remotely close? We traded a 2nd line good hockey player/joke of a human being for a bad defenseman back then. This time we traded picks that likely won't amount to anything for a defenseman that can still contribute, definitely moreso than the guys we've put in that #4 spot so far this season.
Why can't we just get a prime player? NOOOO we always have to get a player who has seen beter days lets say!

Sure he can help but he is on his goodbye tour already!

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Agreed completely.

Serioulsy... this is the most overpaid move I've seen for a 39 years old (almost done) defencemen in a while...

This team didn't need Schneider at all.

a second round pick and a third for this dead wood ?! WOW !! Just.... WOW....

It's pathetic to see how this team has turned into a country club... Starting with Gainey, Carbo, Muller, Jarvis, Brisebois and now Schneider...

Whos' next ?! Stéphane Richer, Claude Lemieux and Stephane Lebeau ?!

Once again, Bob Gainey shows us his incompetency... Sad...

I disagree man. Leadership is always important to a team. He will help on the powerplay. Also as long as his conditoning is good, age doesn't matter. Chelios still plays really well in his 40s since he takes care of himself.

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Bob Mackenzie just said the habs arent done yet. Dreger said that Phoenix was upset that the habs made this deal because they thought we would be trading with them for their players. Interesting.
That's very interesting in deed. I also have the feeling that this deal is to set another one up, a bigger one.

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So Burke is upset 'cause of the Rivet deal last year and now Phoenix is upset? You do have to wonder if it's in Gainey's mind to actually put teams in competition with each other in order to get the best deal.

Though I would have love to see Burke's offer if he would've been able to top San Jose's offer....
In all honesty, it doesn't mean anything. It's business. Gainey had all the rights in the world to be upset at Waddell last year for the Hossa deal that fell apart. Yet, guess who he trades with this year? Correct. It's business.

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Wouldn't say Ken Klee, Brad Larsen and Chad Painchaud are exactly free...

Or was he put on waivers and I didn't see it?
Just to clear it up for y'all....

Klee and Larsen weren't really losses...Larsen was a healthy scratch for much of the season on the 2007-2008 Thrashers. Klee needed to be moved because of the glut of young defensemen the Thrashers have.

Schneider played a ton this year with Bogosian. His numbers were good while Bogo was healthy, and they dropped off while Bogo was out with a broken leg. I do think he'll work out well for you guys, since he's not going to be expected to mentor a rookie and partially carry a defense.

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