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02-16-2009, 03:56 PM
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We could have had two 18 yo players with potential with those 2 picks.
Who may have never had a chance to get on our roster with the vast amount of under 27 year olds we have on the roster, and thats not including our actual prospect list, which is vast.

Detroit gave up Shawn Mattias to get Todd Bertuzzi for a short trip and you don't hear Red Wings fans crying.

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02-16-2009, 03:57 PM
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I don't mind it now. Probably will mind it more in a couple of games.

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02-16-2009, 03:59 PM
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Now just need to trade Kovalev for picks and a prospect !

D'agostini-Koivu-Tanguay
A. Kostsitsyn-Plekanec-Pacioretty
Latendresse-Lapierre-Higgins
Laraque/Dandenault-Begin-Kostopoulos/S.Kostitsyn

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-Schneider
Gorges-Bouillon
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02-16-2009, 04:11 PM
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Yes, what you missed is the fact that he has been on a decline steadily over the years.
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02-16-2009, 04:13 PM
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Now just need to trade Kovalev for picks and a prospect !

D'agostini-Koivu-Tanguay
A. Kostsitsyn-Plekanec-Pacioretty
Latendresse-Lapierre-Higgins
Laraque/Dandenault-Begin-Kostopoulos/S.Kostitsyn

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-Schneider
Gorges-Bouillon
Brisebois
Then trade Schneider back to Atlanta back for two picks. Trade Plekanec for a gritty 3rd liner. Trade Bouillon/Bégin for picks. Maybe Tanguay too. And start thinking about next year.

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02-16-2009, 04:14 PM
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Absolutely despise it.

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02-16-2009, 04:17 PM
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Let's not forget Montreal also receives a conditional pick which if they don't make the playoffs or lose in the first round they get Atlanta's 3rd rounder this year. The worst that pick can be is if Monreal reaches the conference finals and they get a 5th.

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02-16-2009, 04:18 PM
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Absolutely despise it.
I feel your pain, in that BG never really addresses the team's problems...but.. do you agree this will help our PP?

Obviously Bouwmeester (sp) couldn't be had, one has to think?

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02-16-2009, 04:19 PM
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Absolutely despise it.
I bet you'd rather have Boullion and Brisebois patrolling the Habs blueline? Schneider will provide some stability, a Power Play presence and most importantly a new veteran face who's able to set the ship straight.

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02-16-2009, 04:21 PM
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One of Breezeby/Bouillon/O'Byrne will not be on the ice...

Gorges will no longer be on the PP...

Yes, I am happy. It's a start

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02-16-2009, 04:22 PM
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I feel your pain, in that BG never really addresses the team's problems...but.. do you agree this will help our PP?

Obviously Bouwmeester (sp) couldn't be had, one has to think?
I think this was the safest way to go about things. A veteran D-man who can man the PP better then anyone else Montreal currently has right now. He came cheap considering Montreal gets bck a 3rd if they don't make the playoffs or pass the second round.

Basically cost Montreal a 2nd in 2009 and 3rd in 2010 for Schneider and either a 3rd 4th or 5th round pick depending how they do come playoff time. He's not signed beyond this year....It was a risk free gamble that could very well pay off!

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02-16-2009, 04:24 PM
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I feel your pain, in that BG never really addresses the team's problems...but.. do you agree this will help our PP?

Obviously Bouwmeester (sp) couldn't be had, one has to think?
I don't think it's that JBo couldn't be had, I think he just couldn't be had YET. If you're the Panthers, obviously you are going to try like heck to sign him and if you can't before the deadline, he'll be moved because you can't let him walk. Either way, the Panthers are in the playoff hunt and if they're forced to trade him (which it looks like they will), they'll wait until March 4 so they can at least enjoy JBo's contribution to the team as late as possible.

And yes I think the Schneider trade was worthwhile.

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02-16-2009, 04:24 PM
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My vote would be for "not yet".

I'm not happy with giving up a 2nd rounder AND a sizeable chunk of whatever cap space we had left for Schneider, based on what we've seen from him this year.

Of course, if the conditions are fulfilled to the point where it becomes a 2nd and 3rd for Schneider and a 5th, I'll be perfectly happy.

If, even by some strange coincidence, this trade snaps the team out of its funk and they finish playing the way they did for the first half of the season, I'll be pretty satisfied. A shakeup in whatever form was becoming necessary, and a 2nd rounder might be a fair enough price to pay for it.

Of course, I could rather easily imagine it having no effect on the slump, and if Schneider plays for us like he played for Atlanta, he could actually make it worse. In which case, I will continue to be unimpressed with the deal.

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I think this was the safest way to go about things. A veteran D-man who can man the PP better then anyone else Montreal currently has right now. He came cheap considering Montreal gets bck a 3rd if they don't make the playoffs or pass the second round.

Basically cost Montreal a 2nd in 2009 and 3rd in 2010 for Schneider and either a 3rd 4th or 5th round pick depending how they do come playoff time. He's not signed beyond this year....It was a risk free gamble that could very well pay off!
I think its more of a temporary bandaid that has a chance of greater rewards than risk. A new face, a veteran, in this locker room could be the small tinkering this team needs. Sometimes a new face is all a team needs.

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Giving up a 2nd and 3rd round draft chioce for a 39 year old defenseman?
WOW - Gainey has completely lost his marbles!

Newspaper reports in the Edmonton Journal indicated that Mark Streit wanted to saty in Montreal and Gainey could have signed him in July '08 for about $2.5 million - Gainey didn't sing him and NYI vastly overpaid - he who hesitates loses!
This is a great example of trading from a position of weakness!

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02-16-2009, 04:26 PM
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One of Breezeby/Bouillon/O'Byrne will not be on the ice...

Gorges will no longer be on the PP...

Yes, I am happy. It's a start
Actually even better TWO of the above mentioned will not be on the ice since O'Byrne was sent to the minors.

That being said I would much rather have had O'Byrne in over both Brisebois and Boullion.

Markov Komisarek
Hamrlik Schneider
Gorges Boullion (wish it was O'Byrne)
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02-16-2009, 04:27 PM
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Giving up a 2nd and 3rd round draft chioce for a 39 year old defenseman?
WOW - Gainey has completely lost his marbles!

Newspaper reports in the Edmonton Journal indicated that Mark Streit wanted to saty in Montreal and Gainey could have signed him in July '08 for about $2.5 million - Gainey didn't sing him and NYI vastly overpaid - he who hesitates loses!
This is a great example of trading from a position of weakness!
Montreal gets back a 3rd 4th or 5th rounder from Atlanta depending how Montreal fairs in the Playoffs...So basically it was a 2nd for Schneider...not a bad deal at all!

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02-16-2009, 04:28 PM
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Bouwmeester would have been too expensive to add. He did the right thing, it provides depth and experience on defense for almost nothing.

If we were a real contender, this trade would have been bad but we are a bubble playoff team so it's a good trade. Selling the farm for Bouwmeester is not a good decision right now, but trying to boost the team with an addition is a good thing. Habs will not re-sign Schneider anyway.

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02-16-2009, 04:31 PM
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Then trade Schneider back to Atlanta back for two picks. Trade Plekanec for a gritty 3rd liner. Trade Bouillon/Bégin for picks. Maybe Tanguay too. And start thinking about next year.
I just think Kovalev is not a good influence for the habs right now... well, he never was a good influence, except last year.

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02-16-2009, 04:32 PM
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At first I hated Gainey for not doing anything, now I hate him for doing stuff!!!

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02-16-2009, 04:37 PM
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Don't worry. I have faith in BOb. Don't be at all surprised if he obtains a 2nd rounder back in another deal before or on draft day. Also, he has more than a year to reacquire the 3rd rounder that was paid today.

C'mon people. In order to get a middle grade D man (good but not Bouwmeester calibre) with a good point shot - this was going to be the asking price. Have any of you detractors watch any Atlanta games this tyear. He still has gas in the tank, is tough enough and has a decent shot. This will take pressure off of Markov.

Anyway, we're Habs fans. ome are impossible to please.

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02-16-2009, 04:40 PM
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No.

A 39 year old for a 2nd, 3rd round pick in a deep draft.
4 goals, 11 assists. Not much powerplay help..
We won't even have draft picks in the draft in Montreal this summer.

We could've gotten much more of a 2nd and 3rd round pick..
You forget that we still have a second round pick in 09

PLUS if montreal flops in the first round (which might happen) we Atlanta's third pick back

win-win

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02-16-2009, 04:49 PM
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I voted No, but I am PRAYING to the almighty that the habs pro-scouting department saw something in Schneider that warranted this move.

negatives:
- giving up a 2nd (in a supposedly deep draft) and 3rd round pick, especially given Timmins recent drafting success
- 4pp pts in 44 games on a bad team
- 50 pim's in 44 games for a guy not known for his physical style or intimidating nature = lot's of hooking and holding
- struggled with injuries last two years + 39 years old, making durability a ? for the rest of the season
- LD man instead of RD man
- from what I've heard, he's been pretty unimpressive for atlanta, looking very much his age
- unless he can come in and contribute on the PP, he is yet another soft/non-gritty player on an already cream puff team
- his salary, even pro-rated, makes it that much tougher to manage adding a bigger salary, should a blockbuster-type deal be in the works (which, i know, likely isn't)

positives:
- wealth of experience
- "been there done that", shouldn't be affected by montreal's psychotic playoff drive frenzy (fans/media)
- despite recent struggles, was been effective on the PP for Ahn last year
- if we continue to do poorly we get a better pick back from Atlanta, a team sure to be picking at the top of each round


sorry but I just fail to see his addition being worth the picks.

I am very much in support of gainey taking risks to improve the team down the stretch, I just hope that they are educated ones and not knee-jerk reactions reminiscent of the last time we added a Dman who had clearly seen better days, and was playing well below expectations according to anyone who had seen him play, accept of course Gainey and his pro-scouts... (cough *niniimaa* cough).

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02-16-2009, 04:51 PM
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Also like to add that I am STARVING for some CROW...

please schneider, make me eat pounds and pounds of that black bid on this one, I promise I'll do it with a massive grin on my face!

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02-16-2009, 05:35 PM
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I just think Kovalev is not a good influence for the habs right now... well, he never was a good influence, except last year.
I was serious actually...

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