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02-17-2009, 01:54 PM
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Seriously, some of you guys overrate Staal so badly. He's a good young defensemen. He's not amazing. I would give up 6 Marc Staal's for Vinny.
He's still a kid, don't forget.

We don't know how good a player he can be.

For a team giving up as many goals as we are, I don't think trading your best d-man, who is still a kid, will guarantee success for this franchise.

Also, why not target someone like Hossa, or Kovalchuck for free? That's what I'd rather see this team do.

Why give up our best blue-liner for offensive production, when we can acquire that without giving up any assets.

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We have Del Zotto, Saugenetti, Sauer, Potter. Losing Marc Staal does not hurt us with that big of an impact.
You're kidding yourself.

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Seriously, some of you guys overrate Staal so badly. He's a good young defensemen. He's not amazing. I would give up 6 Marc Staal's for Vinny.
Tell me how a GM could get his hands on ONE of them then. The discussion now is that it will take Vinny LeCavalier to get Staal.

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Exactly, a #1 defenseman is more valuable than a #1 center.
But defenemen aren't "exciting" to watch.

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Seriously, some of you guys overrate Staal so badly. He's a good young defensemen. He's not amazing. I would give up 6 Marc Staal's for Vinny.
What makes this more doable is our depth at defense b/c of our consecutive drafts targeting the defensive position.

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Staal is already the best defenseman on the team and there's no one in the system that has the potential to be a one of the best shutdown d-men in the league. He's going to be the cornerstone of this defense for years to come.

Where would be without him? Frightening to think of a defense that doesn't include Staal...

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In a couple season we can have....

Prucha-Lecavalier-Zherdev
Not with Renney behind the bench.

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You're kidding yourself.



Tell me how a GM could get his hands on ONE of them then. The discussion now is that it will take Vinny LeCavalier to get Staal.



But defenemen aren't "exciting" to watch.
Nobody is kidding anyone. The kidders are those who aren't aware of what Vinny Lecavalier brings to the table. The kidders don't understand that we're stacked when it comes to the defensive aspect of our prospect pool.

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Not with Renney behind the bench.
Renney has stated with the current structured team it's hard to play someone like Prucha.

He also said under Jagr's era it was easier to play Prucha. The game was more offensive.

With a player like Vinny, it also will be more offensive.

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There's no way Rangers would or should trade Lundqvist. A great goalie is harder to find then great forward.

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You're kidding yourself.



Tell me how a GM could get his hands on ONE of them then. The discussion now is that it will take Vinny LeCavalier to get Staal.



But defenemen aren't "exciting" to watch.
Offensive defensemen are

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To me, Staal's an untouchable...unless we're talking Ovechkin.

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The kidders don't understand that we're stacked when it comes to the defensive aspect of our prospect pool.
Like we were stacked when Lundmark,Brendl and Jessiman were in the system?

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Vinny is a guy that you can build your team around.

Obviously with Vinny, there is no need for both Drury and Gomez.

So assuming one of those guys is tossed (in whatever scenario)... and it essentially comes down to having Marc Staal or Vinny L on you team... I just don't see how anyone chooses Staal.

Its not mortgaging your future. Vinny is 28!!! He's one of the most dynamic centers in the league.

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Vinny on this team trading away the pieces that it would take to get him here would be like Kovalchuk on the Thrashers.

BUILD FROM WITHIN.

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Like we were stacked when Lundmark,Brendl and Jessiman were in the system?
Youre comparing apples and oranges. Its easily distinguishable whom will and whom will not make it to the NHL. With Del Zotto's and Saugnetti's work ethic, drive, and talent level they will be fine. I like Sauer too.

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Nobody is kidding anyone. The kidders are those who aren't aware of what Vinny Lecavalier brings to the table. The kidders don't understand that we're stacked when it comes to the defensive aspect of our prospect pool.
When those prospects prove they ready to play in this league at a high level, then yes, moving Staal does sound more doable.

But they're not. Not Sang's, not Del Z... You could make an argument for Sauer and Potter, but expecting them to step in and have the same success as Staal, is asking quite a lot.

Staal for Vinny straight up won't work, due to salary differences.

Meaning we have to give up something more. Who would Tampa want? Gomez?

Gomez+Staal for Vinny?

Maybe.. But again, why give up Staal for Vinny when you can target Hossa in a few months for free? Or why not target Kovalchuck, who plays a position that we're really weak at?

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There's no way Rangers would or should trade Lundqvist. A great goalie is harder to find then great forward.
I think if the Rangers decide to trade Lundqvist it's going to be for more than Lecavelier.

Despite the fact that some fans label him as overrated, he's probably one of the hottest commodities in the whole league. He's played 70+ games each of the last two seasons and was a top 3 goalie doing it (based on Vezina voting). He's also younger than Nabokov, Kiprusoff and Luongo.

To me, if you want Lundqvist you'll have to overpay dearly, and I'm sure Sather has the same idea

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Vinny on this team trading away the pieces that it would take to get him here would be like Kovalchuk on the Thrashers.

BUILD FROM WITHIN.
We probably won't draft anyone of Vinny's caliber within the next decade.
Come on, let's be realistic now.

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Staal is already the best defenseman on the team and there's no one in the system that has the potential to be a one of the best shutdown d-men in the league. He's going to be the cornerstone of this defense for years to come.

Where would be without him? Frightening to think of a defense that doesn't include Staal...
This. Staal is also cost controlled and not even close to entering his prime yet. Love Lecavalier, would trade anyone else but Staal or Henrik for him. Want Del Zotto, Sangs, Grachev, AA, and the next 3 firsts? screw it, go for it. (exaggeration of course)

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When those prospects prove they ready to play in this league at a high level, then yes, moving Staal does sound more doable.

But they're not. Not Sang's, not Del Z... You could make an argument for Sauer and Potter, but expecting them to step in and have the same success as Staal, is asking quite a lot.

Staal for Vinny straight up won't work, due to salary differences.

Meaning we have to give up something more. Who would Tampa want? Gomez?

Gomez+Staal for Vinny?

Maybe.. But again, why give up Staal for Vinny when you can target Hossa in a few months for free? Or why not target Kovalchuck, who plays a position that we're really weak at?
Nobody is comparing Staal to any other d-men. However, I'm making the case that we are NOT thin when it comes to our defensive prospects. Which is why you go after a player like Vinny L even if it means trading Staal. A player(Vinny) that is dynamical in more than 1 way. Leadership, world-class skill, and a physical prescence. I'd put Vincent above both Kovalchuk and Hossa anyday of the week.



A gem. A pure gem. I would be one happy Ranger fan if this guy was in Ranger blue.


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Yea no doubt one of Drury Gomez has to go
I would prefer both to go. A.S.A.P.

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Nobody is comparing Staal to any other d-men. However, I'm making the case that we are NOT thin when it comes to our defensive prospects. Which is why you go after a player like Vinny L even if it means trading Staal. A player(Vinny) that is dynamical in more than 1 way. Leadership, world-class skill, and a physical prescence. I'd put Vincent above both Kovalchuk and Hossa anyday of the week.
Why is Vinny on the trade block then?

You would think a great player like that, capable of being the the center-piece and face of a franchise, would be close to untouchable.

Vinny currently has less goals than both Hossa, and Kovalchuck by the way...

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How about this?

Vincent - 6.875 cap hit
St. Louis - 5.25
Meszaros - 4.0

Total - 16.125

For

Gomez - 7.357
Dubinsky - 633k
Staal - 827k
Rozi - 5.0
Prucha - 1.6
2009 1st & 2nd round picks

Total - 15.417

Vinny >>>> Gomez
St. Lous >>>> Prucha
Meszaros >>>> Rozi - Better player and only 23.

For that, we're trading Dubinsky, Staal, and the draft picks for the difference.

I really hate trading Staal and Dubinsky but this is a good way of getting rid of bad contracts for good contracts.

Naslund-Vincent-St. Louis
Korpedo-Drury-Zherdev
Dawes-Anisimov-Cally
Voros-Betts-Orr

Mara L- Meszaros shoots R
Redden L-Girardi R
Kalinin L-Reitz R

Potter extra

In the offseason, we trade Redden or send him down. With the money, we use it to get Bouwmeester and he shoots left. We also trade Kalinin's 2M to help tack onto Bouw's contract.

Next year defense

Bouw - Mesz
Mara - Girardi
Sang, DZ, Potter Reitz fight for the last 2 spots.


What do you guys think????

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Why is Vinny on the trade block then?

You would think a great player like that, capable of being the the center-piece and face of a franchise, would be close to untouchable.

Vinny currently has less goals than both Hossa, and Kovalchuck by the way...
he is also recovering from major surgery. I understand that surgery was done in the Summer. But it is my belief that he hasn't had enough time to strength train. Vinny relies on his shot. A guy like Brodeur, who has had major surgery, doesn't need strength as much as stamina.

Vinny next year = 100 points

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This. Staal is also cost controlled and not even close to entering his prime yet. Love Lecavalier, would trade anyone else but Staal or Henrik for him. Want Del Zotto, Sangs, Grachev, AA, and the next 3 firsts? screw it, go for it. (exaggeration of course)
Why the hell would you give up that much?

Lecavalier is good, he's not THAT good.

We still need a future.

And if you are going to take on ANOTHER huge contract, we will need all the cheap young talent we can possible keep and draft.

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We have Del Zotto, Saugenetti, Sauer, Potter. Losing Marc Staal does not hurt us with that big of an impact.

Mmmm its a big Philosophy change

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