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02-17-2009, 02:16 PM
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How about this?

Vincent - 6.875 cap hit
St. Louis - 5.25
Meszaros - 4.0

Total - 16.125

For

Gomez - 7.357
Dubinsky - 633k
Staal - 827k
Rozi - 5.0
Prucha - 1.6
2009 1st & 2nd round picks
That's kind of like saying "here, you throw this out"

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02-17-2009, 02:16 PM
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Some of you must have no idea who Vincent Lecavalier is.
Vincent Lecavalier is a player who was drafted 1st overall in 1998.
In his 8th season in the NHL he finally broke the 80 point mark.
He has now broken 80 points twice in his career.
He is currently on pace for 76 points..

He is clearly the star player that we have been missing for years...?
Let's give up the top youing Dman that we finally drafted for him..?

STUPID

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02-17-2009, 02:17 PM
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Why is Vinny on the trade block then?

You would think a great player like that, capable of being the the center-piece and face of a franchise, would be close to untouchable.

Vinny currently has less goals than both Hossa, and Kovalchuck by the way...
Because he will bring back the best value for a team that is dire to rebuild, and fast. They have Stamkos to carry the load.

Goals are not the only thing that make-up a player. So I don't know what you're getting at.

Vision, Physical Prescence, Drive to the net, Leadership qualities are all aprt of the package.

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02-17-2009, 02:18 PM
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Vincent Lecavalier is a player who was drafted 1st overall in 1998.
In his 8th season in the NHL he finally broke the 80 point mark.
He has now broken 80 points twice in his career.
He is currently on pace for 76 points..

He is clearly the star player that we have been missing for years...?
Let's give up the top youing Dman that we finally drafted for him..?

STUPID
sure... if you wanna go by stats only.

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02-17-2009, 02:18 PM
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We have Del Zotto, Saugenetti, Sauer, Potter. Losing Marc Staal does not hurt us with that big of an impact.
We don't know those kids, except for Potter who is NHL ready. IMO, Staal is more valuable then Lundqvist who is alternating from plato to downhill for couple of seasons.
On the other hand, if Staal doesn't gain weight, forget about dominanace. Look at his bros. Are they at 220lbs?

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02-17-2009, 02:19 PM
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sure... if you wanna go by stats only.
or I could go by the highlight reel goals that everyone else is going by

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sure... if you wanna go by stats only.
Oh my, he began to pann out a little later than some. He stinks.

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02-17-2009, 02:20 PM
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We don't know those kids, except for Potter who is NHL ready. IMO, Staal is more valuable then Lundqvist who is alternating from plato to downhill for couple of season.
On the other hand, if Staal doesn't gain weight, forget about dominanace. Look at his bros. Are they at 220lbs?
Guess what, they were all first round draft picks.(Saugs, Del Zotto) It's a shame if they don't pan out. It's a risk you take with a player like Lecavalier in the cards. I say 85% chance it works out b/c of the drive, work ethic and talent I've seen the drafted d-men show at the lower levels.

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Nobody is comparing Staal to any other d-men. However, I'm making the case that we are NOT thin when it comes to our defensive prospects. Which is why you go after a player like Vinny L even if it means trading Staal. A player(Vinny) that is dynamical in more than 1 way. Leadership, world-class skill, and a physical prescence. I'd put Vincent above both Kovalchuk and Hossa anyday of the week.



A gem. A pure gem. I would be one happy Ranger fan if this guy was in Ranger blue.
Very few players can ever come close to moves like #99. Vinny is one guy who does things with the puck that are every bit as creative. I love his fake bomber > deke> toedrag> deke> 5 hole.

A player pulls that off because the opposition is afraid and gets tight. Psyched out. Its $$$

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02-17-2009, 02:22 PM
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Oh my, he began to pann out a little later than some. He stinks.
He's not not worth it

The Rangers could give up a butt-load for him and he could easily only put up 70 points a season for them

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02-17-2009, 02:23 PM
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Very few players can ever come close to moves like #99. Vinny is one guy who does things with the puck that are every bit as creative. I love his fake bomber > deke> toedrag> deke> 5 hole.

A player pulls that off because the opposition is afraid and gets tight. Psyched out. Its $$$
Talk about dynamics. Amen.

The "dynamics of this team need to change" thread seems fitting right about now.

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02-17-2009, 02:24 PM
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Let's be realistic.

This trade makes NO sense, unless Gomez AND Drury are both shown the door.

We are talking about 21 million per year locked up into 3 centers?!

Come on now.

Lecavalier would be a wet dream IF Drury AND Gomez are NOT on the team with him.

We would NEED to KEEP Dubinsky AND Anisimov.

Lecavalier
Dubinsky
Anisimov
Betts

We also need SOME resemblance of a defense.

If Staal is gone, AND Rozsival is gone... then what?

We would need to call up Sanguinetti AND Del Zotto NOW. No time to waste. And get those two developing ASAP.

It just does not make any sense.

We are in enough trouble financially, we can not afford to start selling off our YOUTH.

What we SHOULD be selling is our over priced veterans and relieve the cap situation and look toward the future.

If Montreal gave up two picks for Schneider, then we can find a way to move Redden, he only makes 1 mil more.

Without commenting on where this rumor is coming from... it makes no sense. None.

We need scoring wingers. Not more high priced centers.

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02-17-2009, 02:24 PM
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He's not not worth it

The Rangers could give up a butt-load for him and he could easily only put up 70 points a season for them
Colin White was once touted at the next Scott Stevens. Look where he is now.

Vinny is an amazing player already, not sure why you're trying to bring him down. That guy is capable of so much more, too.

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02-17-2009, 02:27 PM
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Suppose he ends up getting his bell rung once too often and he's out of the league by the time he's 30?

Then what, watch Staal have a great career somewhere else like we did with Zubov?
Suppose Staal gets injured ala Blackburn/Kloucek. Or burns out like Prucha. Or just Daigle's it and never reaches his potential.

And hey, suppose the rink collapses during a Devils v. Rangers game. Then the Isles would be the best team in the tri-state area. Crazy, right!?!

Or maybe, Vinny is actually God -- straight out of the Bible and stuff -- and his return to NY will bring about the rapture.

Hypotheticals are fun!

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Colin White was once touted at the next Scott Stevens. Look where he is now.

Vinny is an amazing player already, not sure why you're trying to bring him down. That guy is capable of so much more, too.
His whole career people have said that he is capable of so much more.
Twice now he has put up Star numbers in a season.
That's not good enough

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I can't believe devil fans are the voice of reason right now.

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Colin White was once touted at the next Scott Stevens. Look where he is now.

Vinny is an amazing player already, not sure why you're trying to bring him down. That guy is capable of so much more, too.
I'm going to make sure I come back to this thread when Vinny scores 45-50 goals next season with Montreal.
I will be back.

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02-17-2009, 02:29 PM
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Let's be realistic.

This trade makes NO sense, unless Gomez AND Drury are both shown the door.

We are talking about 21 million per year locked up into 3 centers?!

Come on now.

Lecavalier would be a wet dream IF Drury AND Gomez are NOT on the team with him.

We would NEED to KEEP Dubinsky AND Anisimov.

Lecavalier
Dubinsky
Anisimov
Betts

We also need SOME resemblance of a defense.

If Staal is gone, AND Rozsival is gone... then what?

We would need to call up Sanguinetti AND Del Zotto NOW. No time to waste. And get those two developing ASAP.

It just does not make any sense.

We are in enough trouble financially, we can not afford to start selling off our YOUTH.

What we SHOULD be selling is our over priced veterans and relieve the cap situation and look toward the future.

If Montreal gave up two picks for Schneider, then we can find a way to move Redden, he only makes 1 mil more.
Without commenting on where this rumor is coming from... it makes no sense. None.

We need scoring wingers. Not more high priced centers.
seriously?

Schneider = UFA
Redden = 5 more years of $6.5 million to play like crap

completely different scenarios.

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I understand the rationale.... Staal is this good and only in his second year. Imagine how good he can be.

At the same time, what if this is it? We've seen what Vinny is capable of, we dont' know what Staal is capable of. I'd go for the more proven guy.

Plus, if you wanna get into the business aspect, you can market Vinny like no other in New York.

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02-17-2009, 02:31 PM
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I'm going to make sure I come back to this thread when Vinny scores 45-50 goals next season with Montreal.
I will be back.
He doesn't need to score 50 goals. There is more to it then that...Vinny is the type of player built for New York.

New York is for Vinny.

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or I could go by the highlight reel goals that everyone else is going by
No...this is stupid. You clearly dont watch Lecavalier play.

Do you know why people consider him one of the best in the game? Let me tell you...

Its because he has no weaknesses. Plain and simple. There are no weaknesses to his game. He can do everything exceptionally well.

He is the best goal scoring center in the league (until Malkin and Carter do it consistently they dont get that label)

He is an amazing playmaker

He is an amazing faceoff taker

He is great on defense and on the PK

He has one of if not the best one time in the slot on the PP

A leader, a captain, a proven winner

And oh...a year ago when people were calling him the "best in the game", when he was on pace for 60 goals in early December, people need to realize he injured his shoulder and played through it. The shoulder was so bad he had to get surgery over the summer and has just recently fully recovered. On top of that, hes playing on a team that mimics a circus where all their players point totals have declined this year.

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No...this is stupid. You clearly dont watch Lecavalier play.

Do you know why people consider him one of the best in the game? Let me tell you...

Its because he has no weaknesses. Plain and simple. There are no weaknesses to his game. He can do everything.

He is the best goal scoring center in the league (until Malkin and Carter do it consistently they dont get that label)

He is an amazing playmaker

He is an amazing faceoff taker

He is great on defense and on the PK

He has one of if not the best one time in the slot on the PP

A leader, a captain, a proven winner

And oh...a year ago when people were calling him the "best in the game", when he was on pace for 60 goals in early December, people need to realize he injured his shoulder and played through it. The shoulder was so bad he had to get surgery over the summer and has just recently fully recovered. On top of that, hes playing on a team that mimics a circus where all their players point totals have declined this year.
Oh i do watch him play. He is a good player we all know it. But I dont think he is worth the package they will have to give up.

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02-17-2009, 02:36 PM
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Just another star who's not playing to his potential because he's on a horrible team that's been draining the life from him.
Watch him go to a good team and score 100+.
But it's true, stats aren't everything.
This guy is a tremendous athlete and a great leader.

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Oh i do watch him play. He is a good player we all know it. But I dont think he is worth the package they will have to give up.
that might be a different story.

The only thing I'm arguing is a trade centered around those two. You're right, it would probably take a huge package to get it done. But if it means losing Staal, Dubinsky, and some picks? I think i'd do it.

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I can't believe devil fans are the voice of reason right now.
They have nothing else to do. Or worry about. Except how Marty will suck upon retutn.

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