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02-18-2009, 04:32 PM
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Eveybody hates Carbo..
Not me.

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02-18-2009, 04:33 PM
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Not me.
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Carbo is trimming the fat this year, he gave an hard time to those who won't be back next year and that are playing like crap

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02-18-2009, 04:58 PM
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Hey, just read your previous post
I am a fan, I smiled while reading your post, good stuff man
Thank you good sir.

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02-18-2009, 05:11 PM
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I think Carbo is a great coach... Those 4th liners he's been shuffling throughout the lineup have been scoring unlike many of the top line guys... Carbonneau knows exactly what he's doing. It's not his fault his team suddenly forgot how to play defense; everything that seemed easy for them at Christmas is now going horribly wrong.

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02-18-2009, 05:18 PM
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I think Carbo is a great coach... Those 4th liners he's been shuffling throughout the lineup have been scoring unlike many of the top line guys... Carbonneau knows exactly what he's doing. It's not his fault his team suddenly forgot how to play defense; everything that seemed easy for them at Christmas is now going horribly wrong.
If it's not his responsibility to TEACH A SYSTEM to his players where they'll be most effective, then who's is it?..

Carbo doesn't exactly know what he's doing..hence our huge slump.

We'll see if the roster changes will have shaken up our team.

I'm not one to put all the blame on Carbo, but he hasn't looked any better than our own players.

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02-18-2009, 05:20 PM
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When Bégin complains you know this team has hit rock bottom.

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02-18-2009, 05:29 PM
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Mainly another Carbo problem.
He's the source of quite a few of them in my book. But seriously, what's up with whining about it in the media?
Won't help.

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02-18-2009, 05:38 PM
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It's from "La Presse Canadienne", a news agency, and the same article is on cyberpresse and other news website.
And the term used (l'Artiste) is not new nor was is intended as an insult, to the contrary. But that's what you get with those Halifax guys and their take on the local media...

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02-18-2009, 05:41 PM
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If it's not his responsibility to TEACH A SYSTEM to his players where they'll be most effective, then who's is it?..
He did teach them a system. He did it during one of those long breaks in the first half of the season. They talked about it on the news, so there should be something about it on these boards somewhere. It happened after the Habs had been blown out by the Leafs or something like that. It worked great until the players stopped playing it at some point close to the All-Star break. The players were screwing the pooch long before Carbo started shuffling lines. Hell, people here were complaining that he wasn't shuffling enough.

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02-18-2009, 05:42 PM
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I agree that Carbo is yet again to blame for this.

The only thing is, way to go Steve, you possibly chose the best time to complain. Just make things worse, it's ok. Carbo isn't likely to get fired any time soon because he has these pictures of BG doing nazi-inspired porn, so this only creates more animosity in the locker room for a team that's already a huge mess.

Blame Bégin, blame Carbo, blame whoever....way to make matters even worse, thanks Steve.

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02-18-2009, 07:59 PM
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Agreed.

I'm sick of the players whining, but it all seems to stem from one very obvious issue: Carbonneau's inability to communicate with them.

Begin has no idea why he isn't in the lineup.

Kostitsyn was shocked when he got demoted.

Kovalev has no idea why the lines keep getting switched around.

You'd think at least somebody on the ice would have a friggin' clue about what's going on.
Is this sarcasm? I think the problem is that some players are delusional. Begin doesn't know why he isn't in the lineup? Could it be that whenever he does something good, he always manages to follow up with a stupid penalty? Kostitsyn was shocked when he got demoted? Could it be that he was expected to provide an offensive spark, yet has rarely provided one to the Canadiens this season? Kovalev has no idea why the lines keep getting switched around? Have there been any combinations that have worked well on a regular basis this season?

You'd think at least somebody on the ice would have a friggin' clue that they are not playing up to their potential.

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02-19-2009, 04:35 AM
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Normally I'd say he's a loser for whining but I'm siding with him. It just adds further proof to the argument that Carbo doesn't know how to talk to anyone. At all.

What a mess. Good lord...Begin is the kind of guy who would die on the ice if he had to.

If a coach loses BEGIN of all people...You know you have a problem.
well said

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02-19-2009, 04:40 AM
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Is this sarcasm? I think the problem is that some players are delusional. Begin doesn't know why he isn't in the lineup? Could it be that whenever he does something good, he always manages to follow up with a stupid penalty? Kostitsyn was shocked when he got demoted? Could it be that he was expected to provide an offensive spark, yet has rarely provided one to the Canadiens this season? Kovalev has no idea why the lines keep getting switched around? Have there been any combinations that have worked well on a regular basis this season?
Bégin hasn't taken a minor penalty since Dec. 16... Now, there is a few times that were terrible, but not recently. Sergei was bad, no question... But has any conbination even been given a regular basis this season.

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02-19-2009, 04:50 AM
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Stewart is gonna replace Begin soon.
I think it has already happened. Did you see how much icetime Stewart got? Obviously he is doing something Carbs has been looking for from players in that role. Steve Begin and his 1 M+ salary can go pound sand. Good role player a few years ago, barely worthy of a press box seat on this team this year, no matter how big his heart is.

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02-19-2009, 05:31 AM
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Carbonneau hates French people.

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02-19-2009, 06:26 AM
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Dear Steve,

I suggest getting an old Delorean, and going back in time. Don't go too far back though, maybe stop in the Patrick Poulin era, because he won't crack a single lineup from the 50's - 94.

Leave my mom Lorraine alone, say hi to Biff..
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I think you're being harsh (albeit, wittily). He could have stood in for Ed Ronan on the '93 team, or maybe Jesse Belanger? (Mind, you probably could have put Patrick Poulin himself on that team, and Roy still would have won it for them...)

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02-19-2009, 08:06 AM
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Do people actually believe that Chipchura is ahead of Bégin RIGHT NOW? Sure Bégin will not be back next year and from the pro camp to the preseason, Chipchura will have his final chance to shine with us....but this year? No way is Chipchura a better player.

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02-19-2009, 08:10 AM
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Do people actually believe that Chipchura is ahead of Bégin RIGHT NOW? Sure Bégin will not be back next year and from the pro camp to the preseason, Chipchura will have his final chance to shine with us....but this year? No way is Chipchura a better player.
Well, if Begin is in the P-box while Chipchura is free like a bird on open ice, it must have some kind of correlation

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02-19-2009, 08:11 AM
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Do people actually believe that Chipchura is ahead of Bégin RIGHT NOW? Sure Bégin will not be back next year and from the pro camp to the preseason, Chipchura will have his final chance to shine with us....but this year? No way is Chipchura a better player.
thats the most ridiculous thing i have read in a while !
Begin is french from the Q and Chipper is from the west so Begin is a better player right ? one is a winger and the other is a center why the heck are you even comparing the 2 ?

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02-19-2009, 08:12 AM
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this is how the conversation should go

Begin- "hey Guy why cant i play? What more can i do? I bleed for this team"

Guy- "im not a man of many words, so i brought you something to show you why. Here is the last game of the season 2 years ago vs the maple leafs and game 4 last year vs the flyers"

end of convo.

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02-19-2009, 08:17 AM
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Begin is not in any position to complain about being benched, that guy should be happy if he even gets signed next year in the NHL.

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02-19-2009, 08:31 AM
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You guys can bash Begin all you want, but if the guy is saying none of his questions have been answered, and he hasn't spoken to Carbo and he has no idea why he isn't in the lineup (presumably, because he does everything he is told to do), then there is a problem.

See, I think people need to step back for a second and think of things at a more microscopic level. If you ever played hockey at any level that was somewhat competitive (as in, not "everybody gets to play!"), then think on your experiences.

I once had a coach that would bench me and scratch me, and I had no idea why. I did EXACTLY what he told me. EXACTLY. Played hard, hit hard, blocked shots, backchecked...I did it all. Every game, he'd praise me for my hard work and discipline. And yet, I'd get scratched the very next game. It made no sense to me. Other guys were getting chastised by the coach and were still getting icetime. Yet myself, a guy who was regularly praised and used as an example of excellent effort by the coach...I was scratched and never told why.

It's frustrating. If the coach had simply explained to me that I was a role player and this was just how it was going to be...I'd at least understand. I wouldn't be happy, but I'd understand.

Now look at Begin. He gives it all on the ice and he plays well. He plays his role very well. Yet, the team is losing, and he's scratched. Other guys are playing over him and screwing up, yet he's the one that suffers despite doing exactly what he's supposed to do. The coach needs to answer his questions. If he's asking why he's being scratched and he doesn't know what else he needs to do to stay in the lineup, it's because the coach hasn't explained to him what his role on this team is supposed to be.

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02-19-2009, 08:39 AM
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huh ? i never bashed Begin, i just responded to the fact someone said he is a better player than Chipper and well, thats not even close to being the truth !

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thats the most ridiculous thing i have read in a while !
Begin is french from the Q and Chipper is from the west so Begin is a better player right ? one is a winger and the other is a center why the heck are you even comparing the 2 ?
Wow. Anybody home? If that's the most thing you've read in a while, what you just wrote is the most ridiculous thing I've heard ever. Where did I brought up the language? By the way, are you actually watching the Habs? Do you kinda know that Bégin could play center and wings? Did I said that Bégin was a better player than Stewart? Last time I looked, Bégin was stil french and Stewart was from Ontario.....How about Bégin's ability to play on the PK while Carbo doesn't trust Chipchura for doing it?

Good job trying to turn this into another language debate.


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02-19-2009, 09:05 AM
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Begin is a no talent bum!!! He works hard, he hits, he skates hard but he has absolutely no offensive skill what so ever!! Greg Stewart is already a better player than Begin is and he's only played a few games.

If I was Gainey, I would be putting Begin on waivers for being a ********. What does he expect? Does he think he can go out there and throw a couple body checks, get 2 or 3 penalties and still deserve to play every game?? Tom Kostopoulos is twice the player Begin is. He gives the same effort as Begin, but Kosto doesn't get stupid penalties and he is better offensively.

Begin needs to go. He isn't as valuable to this team as he used to be. He gets injured all the time and doesn't produce any offence at all.


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