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02-18-2009, 03:37 PM
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Nudist colony pictures: Porn?

Alright we all know they exist. Let's face facts. It isnt hard to look them up or Google them if you want a laugh or a shock or whatever. But the main question is, would it be classified as porn? Now in general these pictures at the colony are taken as people are doing their daily activities. Swimming, walking, etc. So in a way it is not sexual, just a normal picture with a person unclothed. But would you call it porn? And also there are several pictures from "Family Nudist" sites (I'm sorry I would never go in a million years) that advertise their resort and needless to say not all of the people being photographed are 18 years old. Is this wrong? Should this not be allowed on the internet? Is it child porn in a way? It is legal to look up these websites but should it be?

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Porn is more used for sexual activity. It would be more like indecent exposure. Children naked is child pornography, so that should be illegal. I think anyways.

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Naked Children is not OK and should be taken off the internet.

As for Nudist pictures in general. Pr0n has to include sex. Here's the definition:

–noun
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.

Seems like your pictures would be defined as Porn but most people at these places are 60< sooooo that's more gross than unethical

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Naked Children is not OK and should be taken off the internet.
It is weird how we condemn child porn and anyone who downloads it yet we have pictures (albeit more innocent normal ones on those websites) that anyone can just view even if the pictures are taken of someone under 18

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What about hentai or furry fandom? It's not real people. :/

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It is weird how we condemn child porn and anyone who downloads it yet we have pictures (albeit more innocent normal ones on those websites) that anyone can just view even if the pictures are taken of someone under 18
.... I didn't understand a one word you said.

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.... I didn't understand a one word you said.
In other words if someone had sexual images of minors and were distributing them (eg. sex acts, certain positions etc.) then we nail them, which we should. But anyone can look up these websites of Family Nudist colonies undetected, legally, and nothing happens.

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People who generally go to nudist colonies are ugly anyway.

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It's my understanding that child pornography is prohibited because of exploitation, which isn't really the case for a family of nudists going about their day. What kind of pictures some perv gets their rocks off to isn't the legal issue. It's the circumstances they were taken under and the fact that consumption leads to greater demand and more crimes against children.

As for nudism being porn or not, that will always vary from person to person. I think that if someone (putting things like shame or insecurities aside) will go to a place with their family or where there are old people, it probably isn't porn to them because they don't go to look at attractive naked people.

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What about hentai or furry fandom? It's not real people. :/
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What about hentai or furry fandom? It's not real people. :/
Usually illegal, in Canada at least, because the characters are often drawn to look under 18

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The supreme court has ruled that unless the pictures were taken with a sexual theme in mind then they are not classified as pornographic. There are movies with naked girls in them that are underage. I can't name them off hand but theres one where a 16 year old is shown taking off her clothes and boobs are shown.. another movie about child prostitution has a fully nude 12 year old. These aren't porn.

They consider these things "art" believe it or not.

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Did it? Did it really?

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The supreme court has ruled that unless the pictures were taken with a sexual theme in mind then they are not classified as pornographic. There are movies with naked girls in them that are underage. I can't name them off hand but theres one where a 16 year old is shown taking off her clothes and boobs are shown.. another movie about child prostitution has a fully nude 12 year old. These aren't porn.

They consider these things "art" believe it or not.
Thora Birch was 16 in American Beauty, IIRC.

Brooke Shields is the other you're thinking of. From here Wiki:

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Shields' first major film role was her 1978 appearance in Louis Malle's Pretty Baby, a movie in which she played a child living in a brothel (and in which there were numerous nude scenes). Because she was only 12 when the film was released, and possibly 11 when it was filmed, questions were raised about child pornography.

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If Barnes and Noble can sell books by Jock Sturges and David Hamilton online and in their stores these images can't be illegal or else there would be some serious ***** going down.

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The supreme court has ruled that unless the pictures were taken with a sexual theme in mind then they are not classified as pornographic. There are movies with naked girls in them that are underage. I can't name them off hand but theres one where a 16 year old is shown taking off her clothes and boobs are shown.. another movie about child prostitution has a fully nude 12 year old. These aren't porn.

They consider these things "art" believe it or not.
The ruling in Canada is, if in any media whatsoever there is a message that a minor might enjoy sexual liaisons with an adult, it's child pornography.

Technically, if you write a fictional story on a typewriter about a nurse having sex with a kid, even if there are no pictures involved or drawings or anything, the piece of paper on which the text is printed is considered child pornography. In the eyes of the law, you'd be no different from someone who produced and keeps pictures of actual children being assaulted, and you'd be facing prison time.

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Funny how everybody thinks child nudity is automatically illegal, but in the US it isn't. Due to the 1st amendment here, Child porn is only illegal because it's evidence of an illegal act- which can only be illegal because it's judged to be harmful to the child.

Hence the naked kid pics online from nudist colonies. No harm to the child, not illegal. Drawings and photos from pre child protection law eras are also legal.


I would call nudist photos softcore porn though.

Edit: just read the post of the guy above me. Pretty amazing how strict Canada is, and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that setup. I don't like the government regulating works of fiction. At all. Just seems like a bad idea that leads bad places.

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In the US, it's only illegal if it's an actual child and they are being harmed. Drawings aren't illegal.

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In the US you can also take a picture of an 18 year old and computer enhance it to make them look 12 and thats legal.


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In the thread about that father at 13 there's the subject of the youngest mother ever. If you wiki that girl, she's like 5 and full naked in a science way. It's not porn at all.


Therefore, anything with naked people in science or cultural sense, is not porn unless it's the science of sexuality or something like that in which case it could be porn.

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What about hentai or furry fandom? It's not real people. :/
There's something that's always puzzled me about hentai (lets not even get to whatever this 'furry fandom' is)... do people watch it in the same way that a horror fan watches a slasher fic, like shock value, grossed out, sick sense of humour, etc, or do they watch it because it actually turns them on? I mean seriously, tentacle demons?

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In my mind, there must be sexual content in order for something to be classified as pornographic. That is not the same thing as nudity.

Masao can talk all he wants about laws, but much of what the most severe interpreters of the law would consider illegal has not been tried in court. I would not want to be the prosecutor in the hypothetical case he outlined.

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In the thread about that father at 13 there's the subject of the youngest mother ever. If you wiki that girl, she's like 5 and full naked in a science way. It's not porn at all.


Therefore, anything with naked people in science or cultural sense, is not porn unless it's the science of sexuality or something like that in which case it could be porn.
Yeah, this is why youtube allows birthing and gyn/urologist exam videos.

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