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02-18-2009, 06:51 PM
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Will Sundin Get Booed?

Q: Should The Leafs Boo Mats Sundin?, Remember this is the same city who booed Orr and Wayne gretzky

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Fans should give Sundin standing O

No one's suggesting Mats Sundin deserves the Rocket Richard treatment.

You remember that one, right? The incomparable Rocket stood at centre ice for nearly 16 minutes when the old Montreal Forum was closed back in 1996 as a standing ovation rained down upon him and ultimately reduced him to tears. He was an icon, both for Les Habitants and the province of Quebec. There isn't a hockey-loving person alive who would place Sundin in a similar category.

But if Maple Leaf fans can imagine any time in the near future that their team will regain a sense of respect around the NHL and become an organization that celebrates excellence over mediocrity, they might want to reconsider their too-frequent reflex to boo. They boo Sidney Crosby like they once booed Bobby Orr, apparently because talent offends them.

They showered derision upon Larry Murphy, who promptly moved to Detroit and won a couple of Cups with the Red Wings. They boo Daniel Alfredsson for an alleged crime of disrespect committed, interestingly, against Sundin, mimicking the Leaf captain's petulant toss of his stick into the audience five years ago.

For Sundin on Saturday, however, the only reasonable response should be two-fold. The man deserves a good, hearty round of applause, with a good number of those in attendance on their feet. He may not have contributed more to the Leaf organization than Doug Gilmour or Wendel Clark, but he surely didn't contribute less and deserves similar treatment. Once the ovation is over, the Leafs should then try to knock his block off. Nothing illegal or cheap, but good, hard hockey that would leave Sundin leaving the ACC thinking it was no fun at all.

That's how to produce a strong impression that the club has turned the page on the Sundin years and is marching towards a better future with pride rather than wasting time trashing former heroes.

What the Leafs and the city will see on Saturday is a slightly different version of Sundin than they were used to for so many years, or at least a Sundin used in a slightly different way.

Right now, he isn't quite featured in the same way he was with the Leafs when he was on the ice for every important situation, every meaningful power play and the final minute of every period of every important game.

With the Canucks, it's the Sedin brothers, Daniel and Henrik, along with their current linemate, Alex Burrows, who are used as the top forward unit most of the time. Sundin, who mostly skates now on a line with Ryan Kesler and Pavol Demitra, is not the dominant force he was even last year with the Leafs, nor is he used in that way as Henrik Sedin occupies the No.1 centre role.

Against the Flames in a 4-3 shootout win last night, Sundin was barely a rumour all night, although Kesler scored twice and Sundin was robbed in the third period by Calgary goalie Miikka Kiprusoff on a close-in chance that would have tied the game.

When he returns, Sundin will thus look familiar to Toronto fans, but not the marquee force he was for them all those years. Not yet, anyway.

Leaf fans, really, should care about only two Sundin related issues. First, that the classy Swede grew sick of the screwed-up manner in which the Toronto operation was being run. Are things different under Brian Burke? We're still learning the answer to that question.

Second, as with any number of good players in recent years, Sundin left town without fetching any assets in return. This is an organization that has consistently been unable to understand that the best time to move athletes is at the peak of their value, not when they've outlived their usefulness.

None of this was Sundin's fault. Those who accuse him of lying to the Leafs about his true intentions are fools. Those who would jeer him upon his return belong to the same category
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heck no, I would be embarrassed if he was booed and I was a leafs fan

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Some will boo but the vast majority will cheer him on I'm sure.

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I wouldn't blame them if they did.

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Second, as with any number of good players in recent years, Sundin left town without fetching any assets in return. This is an organization that has consistently been unable to understand that the best time to move athletes is at the peak of their value, not when they've outlived their usefulness.

None of this was Sundin's fault.


Eh, didn't the Leafs try trading him and he wouldn't waive his NTC?


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If I was a Leafs fan I'd boo him.

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Technically no but he probably will be booed.

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Remember this is the same city who booed Orr and Wayne gretzky
No, completely different circumstances then Gretzky and Orr.

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He will be booed, but he should not be.

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Also like to add "the MANAGEMENT gave him the NTC" They should have the majority of the blame *Which obviously happened, Got fired*.

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No, completely different circumstances then Gretzky and Orr.
Explain, Two of the greatest NHL players in the world Gets booed.

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He might be. There are a lot of misguided fans who 'blame' him for exercising his right not to be traded last year.

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He might be. There are a lot of misguided fans who 'blame' him for exercising his right not to be traded last year.
How about him flat out lying about not wanting to join a team midseason which was the main reason he gave for not waiving his NTC?

The guy is a selfish hypocrite and deserves any treatment he gets.

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I'm a Leafs fan, he should get a standing O. Knowing the prototypical Leafs fan, he'll be booed.

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How about him flat out lying about not wanting to join a team midseason which was the main reason he gave for not waiving his NTC?

The guy is a selfish hypocrite and deserves any treatment he gets.
Isn't that just contradicting the whole situation.

Shouldn't the person who GAVE the NTC to sundin be the one at fault.

Last time i checked, sundin still has a house in toronto, Clearly likes it there.

ps: I don't wanna get into a sundin war just giving you my two cents.

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A standing O for a guy who proved that he doesn't care about winning.

Let's see, he never lead the Maple Leafs even to the Stanley Cup, something Daniel Alfredsson was able to do.

When he was injured in the playoffs, the real leaders like Roberts and Tucker carried the Leafs until Sundin came back and the team stopped playing hard..

Then Sundin has a chance to win the cup with a team like Detroit and he refuses to wave his no trade clause all the while drastically hurting the organizations chances of rebuilding because now he goes somewhere else for free, and where does he go? To the team who offered him the most money in a much tougher conference where Vancouver isn't even considered a top 5 team.

Ray Bourque spent over 20 years of his career in Boston and wanted to win a cup so he went to Colorado...did Sundin's stay in the Holiday Inn all those years really get to him emotionally?

He has proven to me that he doesn't care about winning a cup, therefore he was a fraud as a Maple Leaf and his hold out proved that he only cares about himself.

Boo him all you want, he never cared about winning, therefore he never cared about you.

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Isn't that just contradicting the whole situation.

Shouldn't the person who GAVE the NTC to sundin be the one at fault.

Last time i checked, sundin still has a house in toronto, Clearly likes it there.

ps: I don't wanna get into a sundin war just giving you my two cents.
Then he should've been honest about it instead of lying. If he wanted to finish the year with Toronto, he should've just said so instead of feeding that bull **** line about winning being meaningless if you're not with a team from training camp onwards.

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He deserves a standing ovation and a damn long one.

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I wouldn't boo him, personally. I think he deserves to be booed to some extent, so it won't bother me if that is the treatment he gets. In general, I don't like booing players at games, but this is probably the only chance Leaf fans have to showcase their frustration over how things went down. I suspect it will be 50/50.

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I'm iffy on this subject. He devoted his career to the Maple Leafs, but that crap he pulled last season is also horrible. Which outweighs the other though?

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He got booed in the Flames/Canucks game last night.

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He got booed in the Flames/Canucks game last night.
Not really, They were very small booes, and they only came out when he held the puck for longer then 5 seconds.

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Explain, Two of the greatest NHL players in the world Gets booed.
Don't know about Orr, but Gretzky screwed the Leafs out of a Stanley Cup Final berth in 93, so that was justified. I'm sure a lot of players have gotten booed in every single arena in the NHL including those guys so no need to point them out.

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He doesn't deserves to be booed.

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I'm going to the game, If anything the fans should give him a standing ovation.

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Let's see, he never lead the Maple Leafs even to the Stanley Cup, something Daniel Alfredsson was able to do.
Do Leaf fans really have a problem with this? Even though Alfredsson is hated by Leafs Nation, did he prove you guys wrong by taking the team on his back to the finals?

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