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02-19-2009, 06:39 AM
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Darren Dreger made his top 10 most intriguing stories going toward March 4th.

He says something based around

To ATLANTA:
James VanRiemsdyk


To PHILADELPHIA:
Kari Lethonen

He says that this should considered strongly by both teams.

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02-19-2009, 06:45 AM
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Darren Dreger made his top 10 most intriguing stories going toward March 4th.

He says something based around

To ATLANTA:
James VanRiemsdyk


To PHILADELPHIA:
Kari Lethonen

He says that this should considered strongly by both teams.
Get that done Philly! (Pens Fan)

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02-19-2009, 06:46 AM
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Let's see just how underrated Kari Lehtonen's potential is...

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Let's see just how underrated Kari Lehtonen's potential is...
Alright, I was hard on him, but he was the 2nd overall pick, what? 7 years ago now. How long can you keep getting by on potential.

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02-19-2009, 06:51 AM
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Except Lehtonen faces 40 quality shots a night. I don't see why some people say Lehtonen is so bad. He always has a pretty solid Save % despite how bad the team is every year. I also haven't heard many good things about JVR lately.

What I want to know is who in the hell will be our goalie? Pavelec got a pretty good chance earlier and the year and he did nowhere near as good as Lehtonen. He was TERRIBLE.

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I like Lehtonen, I just don't know if he's ever going to put up good numbers again.

I would guess Atlanta has a stronger backing for him, so I wouldn't see them being interested.

Expecting ridiculousness to follow however with regards to opinions

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Except Lehtonen faces 40 quality shots a night. I don't see why some people say Lehtonen is so bad. He always has a pretty solid Save % despite how bad the team is every year. I also haven't heard many good things about JVR lately.
He would be facing the same in Philly, maybe not all as "quality" but certainly as many shots.

What are these "bad things" you've heard about JVR lately? Link?

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I would lose all respect for Homer if he traded for Lehtonen.

It's bad enough that the Flyers have absolutely slaughtered Lehtonen in his career. But to give up JVR for a bust of goalie who can never stay healthy. No *** thank you.

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He would be facing the same in Philly, maybe not all as "quality" but certainly as many shots.

What are these "bad things" you've heard about JVR lately? Link?
I heard them here on HF so you have to take them with a grain of salt. People were just saying the Flyers weren't happy with his play as of late and he didn't do well at the WJC's.

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I heard them here on HF so you have to take them with a grain of salt. People were just saying the Flyers weren't happy with his play as of late and he didn't do well at the WJC's.

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To each his own I guess.

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Darren Dreger made his top 10 most intriguing stories going toward March 4th.

He says something based around

To ATLANTA:
James VanRiemsdyk


To PHILADELPHIA:
Kari Lethonen

He says that this should considered strongly by both teams.
And in Dreger's infinite wisdom, why should this be "strongly considered?"


It sounds nothing more than anyone else here making a proposal for two reasons:

1) It won't happen.

2) It's stupid.

3) Someone else thinks JVR had a terrible WJC's, therefore Holmgren is desperate to get rid of him

Also, the Flyers have had their way with Lehtonen over his career, so why would they trade for him? If they know they can light him up, they know other teams can too.

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Alright, I was hard on him, but he was the 2nd overall pick, what? 7 years ago now. How long can you keep getting by on potential.
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Alright, I was hard on him, but he was the 2nd overall pick, what? 7 years ago now. How long can you keep getting by on potential.
Another 7 years....or is that bad luck with a broken mirror?

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I would lose all respect for Homer if he traded for Lehtonen.

It's bad enough that the Flyers have absolutely slaughtered Lehtonen in his career. But to give up JVR for a bust of goalie who can never stay healthy. No *** thank you.
So Lehtonen is solely responsible for the fact that Atlanta can't beat Philly? That makes perfect sense.

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Let's see just how underrated Kari Lehtonen's potential is...
his potential is undeniable, but, his groin is more questionable than his talent.

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I think the risk when it comes to Lehtonen is his injuries.

IMO he's definitely in the top half when it comes to goaltenders in the league, I would shudder to think how good he can be infront of a team that can play defense (maybe philly wouldn't be the best choice.... SCHWAA!).

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Alright, I was hard on him, but he was the 2nd overall pick, what? 7 years ago now. How long can you keep getting by on potential.
He's 25. It used to be that most goalies weren't expected to really grow into a #1 role until about that age. Now there's this idea that if you're not a stud by 23 or 24 then you're a total bust. The guy still has a career .912% and 2.88GAA on some pretty crappy teams.

If I'm Philly, I make this move in a heartbeat. As a B's fan, the thought of Lehtonen on Philly scares the sh#t out me, especially considering he's hitting an age when most goalies hit their peak.

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He would be facing the same in Philly, maybe not all as "quality" but certainly as many shots.

What are these "bad things" you've heard about JVR lately? Link?
It's not so much the number of shots as it is the number of scoring chances. Yes, teams will get a lot of shots on the Flyers, but how many of them are serious scoring chances? Lehtonen would be fine in Philadelphia. It's the medical staff in Philadelphia and their penchant for misdiagnosing or mistreating injuries that should be a concern if the Flyers acquired a talent like Lehtonen.

For the record, I'd do a deal based on JVR and Lupul for Lehtonen and Little......

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Darren Dreger made his top 10 most intriguing stories going toward March 4th.

He says something based around

To ATLANTA:
James VanRiemsdyk


To PHILADELPHIA:
Kari Lethonen

He says that this should considered strongly by both teams.
If I'm Atlanta I do this. If I'm Philly I have to think long and hard. I'm a bit down on Lehtonen, but perhaps with a better team around him he will come into his own.

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It's not so much the number of shots as it is the number of scoring chances. Yes, teams will get a lot of shots on the Flyers, but how many of them are serious scoring chances? Lehtonen would be fine in Philadelphia. It's the medical staff in Philadelphia and their penchant for misdiagnosing or mistreating injuries that should be a concern if the Flyers acquired a talent like Lehtonen.

For the record, I'd do a deal based on JVR and Lupul for Lehtonen and Little......
I'm sure you would but no way Atlanta includes Little.

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His career numbers

189 GP
86 wins
12 SO
.912 Save Percentage
2.86 GAA

Those numbers beat out/ are the same as Fleury, DiPietro, and Niittymaki.

The wins aren't impressive but that is the result of constantly playing on a bad team. He is just as good if not better than guys like Biron or those listed above.

I don't get why people say that Lehtonen sucks. Pretty damn impressive when you play on one of the worst teams in the NHL.

The only problem I can find are the injuries.

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For the record, I'd do a deal based on JVR and Lupul for Lehtonen and Little......
You just changed that trade enormously, Atlanta wouldn't even begin to consider trading Little for nothing short of an overpayment. They can't collapse their center depth like that.

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His career numbers

189 GP
86 wins
12 SO
.912 Save Percentage
2.86 GAA

Those numbers beat out/ are the same as Fleury, DiPietro, and Niittymaki.

The wins aren't impressive but that is the result of constantly playing on a bad team. He is just as good if not better than guys like Biron or those listed above.

I don't get why people say that Lehtonen sucks. Pretty damn impressive when you play on one of the worst teams in the NHL.

The only problem I can find are the injuries.
It's nothing against Lehtonen, but trading our absolute best prospect (who happens to be a top prospect in the league), we'd be looking to upgrade in net with certainty.

That being said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Lehtonen ripped it up for the next 6 years, come next season. He clearly does have potential, I wouldn't listen to naysayers.

I guess you understand why Flyers might be a bit defensive about JVR "sucking" as well eh

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Has Lehtonen improved his conditioning?

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His career numbers

189 GP
86 wins
12 SO
.912 Save Percentage
2.86 GAA

Those numbers beat out/ are the same as Fleury, DiPietro, and Niittymaki.

The wins aren't impressive but that is the result of constantly playing on a bad team. He is just as good if not better than guys like Biron or those listed above.

I don't get why people say that Lehtonen sucks. Pretty damn impressive when you play on one of the worst teams in the NHL.

The only problem I can find are the injuries.

I'm with you, and I have zero allegiance to him or Atlanta. This guy could be a #1 goalie for the next 8-10 years, especially on the right team. But it's not like Finland has a reputation for producing goaltenders or anything.

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