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02-19-2009, 02:55 PM
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My apologies for mistaking him for a center, Stajan is centering that line with Antropov and Ponikarosky(sp?)
I have watched him since he's been with the Leafs and I am not referring or comparing him to anyone on Montreal. He is a marginal scorer at best, his stats clearly show it, and he gets first and second line minutes, he'll top out at around 60-65 points this season, one of his best seasons and he is already 29, is not going to become a faster skater so he is still not worth more than a late first rounder, or a second.
BTW, what would any of you say Antropovs' best playing attribute?
I think most project him to get a late first or equivelant prospect, maybe slightly more. The second is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

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is not going to become a faster skater so he is still not worth more than a late first rounder, or a second.
BTW, what would any of you say Antropovs' best playing attribute?
didn't know the playoffs have skating races to determine the winner of games? His skating is not as bad as people like to believe, but as you obviously don't actually watch him you wouldn't know that. This is evident by you consistantly calling him a center. He's a huge body who can dish the puck, work the boards, kill penalties, screen the goalie and tip in shots.. ya who would want that for a playoff run....

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The only way Antropov gets a first rounder is if it's from 25-30.

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02-19-2009, 03:14 PM
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My apologies for mistaking him for a center, Stajan is centering that line with Antropov and Ponikarosky(sp?)
I have watched him since he's been with the Leafs and I am not referring or comparing him to anyone on Montreal. He is a marginal scorer at best, his stats clearly show it, and he gets first and second line minutes, he'll top out at around 60-65 points this season, one of his best seasons and he is already 29, is not going to become a faster skater so he is still not worth more than a late first rounder, or a second.
BTW, what would any of you say Antropovs' best playing attribute?
his hockey sense and size are his best attributes. In todays NHL scoring 65 points is not that bad. just look at some of the players on the Habs and compare offensive production

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02-19-2009, 03:31 PM
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Burke was just trying to light a fire under Antropov. There is no way team's are going to gauge Antropov's value based on one comment Burke made. If a team tries to use Burke's comment as leverage, Burke will laugh and hang up.
That wasn't my point .. I always believe that stuff said in the media is more for fan and talk show chatter and volume then effecting anything in trade value..

My point was Burke's own actions of not wanting to resign Nik himself but rather trade him sends a message to other GM's. If Nik was such a prize then Burke would prefer to keep him himself and be talking extension.. So its not Burke's words but rather his actions that are in play here in terms of Antropov's value..

If a GM is asking top dollar (1st rounder for rental player), then I am wondering or asking why the GM doesn't want him any longer.

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Has everyone forgotten how good Antropov is around the net? For a playoff team on the PP (or 2nd PP) you put him in front of the net, and he will create hell by deflecting pucks or tucking in the rebounds.. that is what he is really good at.. much like a bigger Holmstrom but who can actually play the rest of the game. Antro will definitely get a 1st round pick or like Burke was saying a good prospect of equal value (and a 2nd round pick IMO).

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I don't think we'll get a first for him but I hope I'm wrong.

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So you have been watching Antropov for a few seasons right? He is not worth a first rounder, a second ok but not much more. I can see him going to the west for a Second or stay in the east for a first. He would be a second line center on most teams or even a third line center but he really does not have the speed to check a number one center so that is doubtful.
It doesn't matter, this isn't a mid-season or off-season trade, its deadline trade. Were Tkachuk, Weight, Recchi, Samsonov, Guerin worth 1st round pick? I don't think so.

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That wasn't my point .. I always believe that stuff said in the media is more for fan and talk show chatter and volume then effecting anything in trade value..

My point was Burke's own actions of not wanting to resign Nik himself but rather trade him sends a message to other GM's. If Nik was such a prize then Burke would prefer to keep him himself and be talking extension.. So its not Burke's words but rather his actions that are in play here in terms of Antropov's value..

If a GM is asking top dollar (1st rounder for rental player), then I am wondering or asking why the GM doesn't want him any longer.
Most GM's know we are in a rebuilding situation and because Fletcher dealt so many of our draft choices, we are forced to deal players like Antropov, to re stock our prospect pool.

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damn right Antro's price is a first rounder. atta boy Burkey. hang onto him right till the end, someone will caugh it up! just gotta be patient.

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Maybe Burke can kill two birds with one stone here .. Get a 1st for Antropov and upgrade our goaltending in the future..

Vancouver the obvious best fit for Antropov to play alongside Mats.

Nik Antropov + Justin Pogge (BC boy) for Cory Schneider and 1st.

I know I would leap at that from a Leaf standpoint not sure the Nucks would like it all that much though. Leafs would have to add more. IMO

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Never underestimate another GM panicking and giving up way more then he should.

Remember how Huet went for a 2nd rounder, when Gill closer to the deadline went for better then that?

Every minute closer to that deadline will make other GM's sweat bullets and some might get pushed over the edge to make the deal. It seems to happen every year

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Maybe Burke can kill two birds with one stone here .. Get a 1st for Antropov and upgrade our goaltending in the future..

Vancouver the obvious best fit for Antropov to play alongside Mats.

Nik Antropov + Justin Pogge (BC boy) for Cory Schneider and 1st.

I know I would leap at that from a Leaf standpoint not sure the Nucks would like it all that much though. Leafs would have to add more. IMO
I wouldn't deal Pogge for Schneider. Neither's done much in the NHL, so we may as well stick with the guy we drafted.

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Maybe Burke can kill two birds with one stone here .. Get a 1st for Antropov and upgrade our goaltending in the future..

Vancouver the obvious best fit for Antropov to play alongside Mats.

Nik Antropov + Justin Pogge (BC boy) for Cory Schneider and 1st.

I know I would leap at that from a Leaf standpoint not sure the Nucks would like it all that much though. Leafs would have to add more. IMO
Now that there is......a GOOD IDEA.

nice one, Mess. I knew you had it in you!

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Most GM's know we are in a rebuilding situation and because Fletcher dealt so many of our draft choices, we are forced to deal players like Antropov, to re stock our prospect pool.
the leafs are not forced into making bad deals. because previous gms were short sighted means nothing. Burke has to make smart choices and dealing Antropov or any other player for less than equal or better value is just stupid

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Maybe Burke can kill two birds with one stone here .. Get a 1st for Antropov and upgrade our goaltending in the future..

Vancouver the obvious best fit for Antropov to play alongside Mats.

Nik Antropov + Justin Pogge (BC boy) for Cory Schneider and 1st.

I know I would leap at that from a Leaf standpoint not sure the Nucks would like it all that much though. Leafs would have to add more. IMO
Perfect for me. The Canucks 1st might be anywhere from a mid to a late first and Schneider is an upgrade on Pogge IMO.

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Never underestimate another GM panicking and giving up way more then he should.
We've all seen this happen first hand here in toronto.

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If he's not the go to guy, and he stays healthy he is definitely worth a late first

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damn right Antro's price is a first rounder. atta boy Burkey. hang onto him right till the end, someone will caugh it up! just gotta be patient.
I'll be looking for your post if Burke gets stuck with him.

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Even if the 1st is 25-30th it's still worth it. Excellent crop of youngsters in the low 1st/high 2nd range.

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I'll be looking for your post if Burke gets stuck with him.
burke wont get stuck with anyone ....but some general managers will have to answer why they didnt upgrade when they have the chance .

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how about

antropov, poni

for

1st, AND ellerby OR markstrom + 3rd

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I wouldn't deal Pogge for Schneider. Neither's done much in the NHL, so we may as well stick with the guy we drafted.
did you miss schnieder earlier this year?

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It seems that Burke has set the asking price for Antropov at a first rounder

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2677...s=topStory_nhl
I think Antropov could and will get a 1st rounder given the group of forwards on the market. I think a team up against the cap looking to add a top 6 forward would add him. A team like Detroit, Montreal or San Jose who can't take on a lot of salary. Only bad thing is San Jose has no first rounder and their 2nd is like a 3rd.

Maybe Montreal will trade us back our 2nd rounder and Suban for Antropov.

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how about

antropov, poni

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1st, AND ellerby OR markstrom + 3rd
Markstrom might turn out to be as good as Carey Price.

Terrible offer.

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