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02-20-2009, 02:05 PM
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I agree completely with what you are saying with respect to re-signing Nik. In case, it wasn't clear, where I think Burke will hold his ground is in relation to what he would accept in a trade for Nik. Now that he's said he expect's a first, I expect him to hold fast to that or pass on trading Antropov.
Yes.

If you show up with a lowball offer I doubt you'll get a reasonable counter.

Asking price is a 1st., but Burke has said he will place a greater value on a prospect a couple years along if the value is equal.

I take it to mean, a 1st. from a contender wouldn't hold as much value as a prospect who is showing value greater than his draft selection indicated.

Just off the top of my head:

Maxim Mayorov
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Born Mar 26 1989 -- Magnitogorsk, Russia
Height 6.02 -- Weight 213 -- Shoots L
Selected by Columbus Blue Jackets round 4 #94 overall 2007 NHL Entry Draft

He's a 4th. rounder playing in the AHL, but would you expect to get him today with a 4th.?

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Antropov's cheap contract compared to who he is as a player and what he brings to the table will garner more interest than people believe because in the confounds of the cap his contract can easily fit for any type of trade. A 1st is a starting point Burke will get a prospect on top of that.
I agree 100%

I think if we can't get that we keep him and re-sign him. I half want to keep him any ways. Even at 3.5 million a year he is worth it and still young enough to play an important role on this team 3 to 5 years down the road. Antropov doesn't strike me as a guy who will try and break the bank in the UFA market. He loves the team and the city and would stay for a reasonable contract much the way kabere did.

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From the mind of Eklund.

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* The Washington Capitals may now have serious interest in Antropov.

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02-20-2009, 02:37 PM
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From the mind of Eklund.
I have serious interest in their 1st rounder

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From the mind of Eklund.
Well, at least we know he's not going to Washington.

On a side note, ever since his funk Antropov has put up 7 goals and 9 points in his last 10. With Burke and Wilson's magical calling out players system, maybe we could go after Stempniak next so he can get the 200 goals Fletcher thought he was going to score.

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Nik's value is going up with his latest goal scoring antics.

Wonder if the teams that are interested, might be getting nervous that Burke might reconsider his position, pull him off the market and resign him for the Leafs instead of move him.

Nik is scoring as he usually scores.

Other GMs know what kind of producer he is, and aren't surprised by his "latest antics".

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02-20-2009, 03:43 PM
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I have serious interest in their 1st rounder
I'd love that but I don't think GM GM would do it. And the Caps are having cap issues. Issues with their own name....

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You're right - Yanic got a 2nd and a mid level prospect.... BUT ...

a) The Yanic trade was at a different time in different market conditions ... there's more buyers this time around.

b) Yanic was not 6'6 and on pace to potentially have a 30 goal season...

I think those are two pretty BIG differences...
there is no doubt whatsoever that Nik Antropov right now is worth more than Yanic Perreault was at that time.

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02-20-2009, 04:09 PM
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Maybe Burke can kill two birds with one stone here .. Get a 1st for Antropov and upgrade our goaltending in the future..

Vancouver the obvious best fit for Antropov to play alongside Mats.

Nik Antropov + Justin Pogge (BC boy) for Cory Schneider and 1st.

I know I would leap at that from a Leaf standpoint not sure the Nucks would like it all that much though. Leafs would have to add more. IMO
I thought Pogge was from Fort McMurray?

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02-20-2009, 04:14 PM
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I thought Pogge was from Fort McMurray?
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=73463

some tend to not let facts get in the way

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02-20-2009, 04:21 PM
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http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=73463

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I guess, but I've also seen some places have him down as being from Penticton.

Maybe he moved during his childhood.

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Ottawa just traded their late first round pick (SJ's pick) for Chris Campoli.

The teams also swapped Dean McAmmond and Mike Comrie in the deal.


So yes, Antropov will garner a 1st round pick.

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This year there will be a frenzy.

People think Antropov's value is dictated by his play alone.It isn't.This year a lot of teams have a chance and teams will grab guys rather than see their enemy do so.Burke will get at least a first rounder for Antropov.

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I guess, but I've also seen some places have him down as being from Penticton.

Maybe he moved during his childhood.
He grew up in BC .. He played in Summerland and Penticton, BC and played for the Prince George Cougars WHL before eventually being traded Calgary Hitman.

From the WHL site

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WHL Alumni Spotlight - Justin Pogge

Justin Pogge was an All-Star goaltender with the Calgary Hitmen and the Prince George Cougars during his four-year Western Hockey League career, and was named the WHL Goaltender of the Year and Player of the Year in his final season with the Hitmen in 2005-06.

Now, the 22-year-old product of Penticton, B.C., is in his second season of professional hockey with the American Hockey League's Toronto Marlies, and is currently heading into his first playoff experience as the Marlies embark on their quest for a Calder Cup Championship.

Drafted by the Toronto Maple Leafs in the 3rd round (90th overall) at the 2004 NHL Entry Draft, Pogge endured an up-and-down first season in the AHL in 2006-07. The 6'3 190-lb netminder posted a 19-25-2 record with three shutouts, a 3.03 goals-against average and a .896 save percentage in 48 appearances during his first pro season, and also got the call to play for Canada's entry at the Spengler Cup in December 2006.

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Penticton’s Justin Pogge made his NHL debut in fine fashion on Monday with the Toronto Maple Leafs. The rookie goaltender, who has played 111 games in the American Hockey League with the Toronto Marlies, earned his first win during a 6-2 victory over the Atlanta Thrashers in Atlanta while facing 21 shots. In an interview with the Toronto Star, Pogge said, “I actually slept well,” of the night prior to his debut.

“I even had a dream about missing practice,” he said

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Justin Pogge (born April 22, 1986, in Penticton, British Columbia.... now living in Fort McMurray, Alberta

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Justin_Pogge.


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Ottawa just traded their late first round pick (SJ's pick) for Chris Campoli.

The teams also swapped Dean McAmmond and Mike Comrie in the deal.


So yes, Antropov will garner a 1st round pick.
But I was told by board members that teams value draft picks more in the cap era so much so that 1st round picks are rarely moved, they cant be wrong

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Yeah, that's the piece where I read from Penticton as well.

So he was just born in Fort Mac?

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Yeah, that's the piece where I read from Penticton as well.

So he was just born in Fort Mac?
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Toronto's goalie of the future gets his chance

TIM WHARNSBY - From Monday's Globe and Mail
December 21, 2008 at 10:24 PM EST

ATLANTA — Even though Justin Pogge's promotion was expected, the move has raised some eyebrows.

Pogge, 22, was called up by the Toronto Maple Leafs Sunday to replace injured Vesa Toskala, who once again is battling a sore groin. Pogge, of Penticton, B.C., will make his NHL debut against the Atlanta Thrashers on Monday.

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Justin Pogge Named Canadian Hockey League's Top Player

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Justin Pogge has been named the top player in the Canadian Hockey League by a 19-member panel commissioned by Prospects Hockey magazine.

The 19-year-old from Penticton, B.C., is enjoying a stellar season, highlighted by his 5-0 shutout win over Russia in the gold medal game at the 2006 World Junior Hockey Championship in Vancouver. Pogge currently leads the WHL in GAA, shutouts and save percentage, and is second in wins. He was a third-round (90th overall) selection of the Toronto Maple Leafs in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft.

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By TERRY KOSHAN -- Toronto Sun

Pogge, the 90th pick overall by the Leafs in 2004, signed a three-year entry-level pact with the club last month. He said all he is worried about now is returning to the Calgary Hitmen of the WHL and trying to help the club win the Memorial Cup. The 6-foot-3, 205-pound native of Penticton, B.C., is bigger than present Leafs goalie Ed Belfour. But Pogge, who worked closely with Belfour last summer, resembles the latter in a couple of important ways: Pogge is sound positionally and has great puckhandling skills.

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I think its generally accepted he is from Penticton as there are endless references linking him to the city..

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Looking at the Islanders and Sens trade, I'd have to say Antropov is definately worth a first round pick, and maybe more.

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Looking at the Islanders and Sens trade, I'd have to say Antropov is definately worth a first round pick, and maybe more.
It guess it also depends on what people think of Campoli. He's really the focal point in the deal for the Sens. 24 year old puck moving defenceman that has shown some promise.

That being said, the Sens ***** the bed on this deal.

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pens would pay it. no doubt in my mind. they aquire antro they could keep malkin and crosby together on the 1st permanently and still have a 2nd line capable of putting points up, im not overlooking staal i just think antro has more offensive talent currently.

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Maybe Burke can kill two birds with one stone here .. Get a 1st for Antropov and upgrade our goaltending in the future..

Vancouver the obvious best fit for Antropov to play alongside Mats.

Nik Antropov + Justin Pogge (BC boy) for Cory Schneider and 1st.

I know I would leap at that from a Leaf standpoint not sure the Nucks would like it all that much though. Leafs would have to add more. IMO
There's no chance at all that happens.

Gillis has made it crystal clear that he doesn't want to trade away a high pick or blue chip prospect for a rental player and Antropov is likely going to be just that.

Even if Gillis was willing to trade his 1st and Schneider he wouldn't do that for Antropov and Pogge.

Schneider so far has done much more in his professional career than Pogge. I think it's safe to say that at this point Schneider has more value than Pogge.

A first round draft pick for Antropov is an overpayment. I'm not saying that someone out there won't pay that price but I sure as hell hope that it isn't the Canucks. The most I'd be willing to give up for Antropov is a 2nd round draft pick and perhaps a mid level prospect.

Giving up a 1st round draft pick for Antropov would be stupid and someone out there might be stupid enough to do it but I don't believe that it'll be Gillis.

So in conclusion there's no chance in hell that deal you proposed happens.

Now if you guys are interested in Schneider and our 1st round draft pick then Kaberle is the player you need to be talking about.

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There's no chance at all that happens.

Gillis has made it crystal clear that he doesn't want to trade away a high pick or blue chip prospect for a rental player and Antropov is likely going to be just that.

Even if Gillis was willing to trade his 1st and Schneider he wouldn't do that for Antropov and Pogge.

Schneider so far has done much more in his professional career than Pogge. I think it's safe to say that at this point Schneider has more value than Pogge.

A first round draft pick for Antropov is an overpayment. I'm not saying that someone out there won't pay that price but I sure as hell hope that it isn't the Canucks. The most I'd be willing to give up for Antropov is a 2nd round draft pick and perhaps a mid level prospect.

Giving up a 1st round draft pick for Antropov would be stupid and someone out there might be stupid enough to do it but I don't believe that it'll be Gillis.

So in conclusion there's no chance in hell that deal you proposed happens.

Now if you guys are interested in Schneider and our 1st round draft pick then Kaberle is the player you need to be talking about.

Agreement on the first point and have my fingers crossed on the second.

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Schneider? you mean that guy that looked good playing for a quality AHL club and then came up to get lit up and look like average at best?

you keep Schneider, we don't want him. Schneider and a 1st for a Kaberle that is under contract?? bwahahahahaha

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your kiddy yourself if you think antropov isn't worth a first round selection....

looks a previous deals.. he is worth a mid level frist rounder, or a prospect coming along well....

if kabby goes to the nucks i'd like to see hodgson + coming this direction

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